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To: tpanther

Science isn’t about perspective, unless you’re getting into the Theory of Relativity. Any scientist, Christian, Hindu, Atheist, or whatever, should be able to look at the same set of evidence and reach the same scientific conclusion.

Now it’s true that someone trained as a scientist who is Hindu can look at the same piece of bacteria as an atheist and assert the conclusion that he’s looking at the reincarnation of his grandmother. But he will have interjected something into his decision-making that is non-scientific.

Again, that doesn’t mean he’s wrong. That bacteria might be his grandmother. But science will not agree with his conclusion because it’s not based on anything anyone else can test or verify.

You can and must remove religion from scientific study or there is no such thing as science. Yet even that is a qualified statement. Certainly the most fundamentalist Christian and avid atheist could work together to map the human genome, because they would be problem-solving in a task-oriented project without drawing any conclusions to the task bigger than that.

But once a scientist suggests that the only answer to an unsolved mystery is God, you need to fire him. That’s not the default answer, and he could give that answer to any question posed to him. If that answer is good enough for you, then you have no need for science at all.


450 posted on 05/01/2008 6:30:06 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone

That’s true, it SHOULDN’T be, but I don’t know how it’s possible! They SHOULD be able to, but I’ve already proven beyond a shadow of doubt that they don’t. Not always and quite possibly more frequently than we know!

I’m relativly sure it’s been done, but we can’t know that. HUMAN conclusions be they scientific or what have you, couldn’t by definition BE “perfect”. There’s some potential for having overlooked something. I think.

Maybe this is because I work in medicine, you know where things are “sterile”? How is it possible for ANYTHING to be perfectly “sterile”? Not shooting blanks, but the kind without potential “pathogens/foreign agents”. One can heat something to thousands of degrees, but a pathogen may be there science has yet to detect.

I’ll give you yet another case: how about scientists studying the effects of red wine...surely you’ve heard of the benefits of anti-oxidants, and of course there’s alcohol, grapes (sucrose), etc. and their effects on the human body (and mind).

Is it good for you, bad, good, bad...the data’s hard to keep up with...just like drugs & other foods, to the point I don’t even listen anymore cause it changes all the time and may not even be “right” in the first place!

Now let’s say one of the dozens of scientists working on this research had a parent die from liver cirrhosis due to alcholism.

Let’s say another’s great uncle owns a vineyard.

You can see how either could come to biased conclusions outside of science that they might not even be remotely aware of, and no one else on the team could either!

You might say, well one or two will be over-ridden by all the others outcomes, etc., but add to that all the others’ unknown biases OR what if one or both of those two were in charge of the team? Then POLITICS begins to effect outcome!

BTW, I see this in nursing decisions that make ME sick! Let alone doctors putting feeding tubes into dying people in a CRAZY misunderstood ‘first do no harm’ idiocy run off the rails OR another way to get yet another payment for an unneeded procedure from medicare!

HEY! Examples with not a thing in the world to do with God/religion btw!

It occurs to me that you and I are virtaully on the same page, working towards a conclusion of sorts, yet not concensus, just from a different angle! :)


But once a scientist suggests that the only answer to an unsolved mystery is God, you need to fire him. That’s not the default answer, and he could give that answer to any question posed to him. If that answer is good enough for you, then you have no need for science at all.

>>>>>Agreed, I would posit that the opposite is also true, someone that submits there’s “no place for God” in science or that a scientific mystery CAN NEVER EVER BE God, is EQUALLY sadly mistaken and disingenuine! :()


453 posted on 05/01/2008 7:15:04 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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