Which brings up a very VERY valid point....why all the lawsuits and secularist censorship for that which doesn’t exist? Why the effort, not only in science but just about ALL of society to censor the 10 commandments, Christmas and so on...? If GOD doesn’t exist, why all the fuss in the first place? IS it because secularists like Michael Newdow don’t want their kids exposed to fairy tails?
Ummmm...I think we ALL now know his daughter didn’t have a problem with saying “Under God” in the Pledge, therefore to just dismiss Ben Stein’s assertions, particularly without even seeing the movie is...well QUITE laughable!
That might sell in Denver during the hypocrat convention, but...
Which brings us back to Ben Stein’s movie and science. Are you saying Godless liberals and their agenda to censor anything remotely Christian hasn’t yet made it into science classes?
After the sheer MOUNTAINS of evidence of the whack-jobs infesting ALL of our culture from banning santa to the mere word Christmas in school calendars to the crosses in town logos, there for hundreds of years...THAT is simply unbelieveable, with or without Stein’s movie!
While it may be true there are some secularists that aren’t out just to censor opinions of believers, it doesn’t mean there are not those with an agenda that has NOTHING to do with science and everything to do with controlling science classes (and everything else)!
As far as your questions...good luck, I’ve looked and found lots of documents! Some I liked, some not, but I always kept in mind that nothing I read was going to “prove” anything, anymore than Darwin’s THEORIES did!
MAYBE it would take more than reading through the DOZENS of hits up front on a google search to discredit ID? Just a thought!
Say...if Ben Stein IS right...perhaps more correct than we know, a google search for the papers you’re looking for might not easily produce them! You DO realize there’s probably more political interest, a culture war over the subject than honest science!
This makes me curious...do you require research papers every time you say, take a new medicine, btw?
Also IS a documentary, (with no papers attached) “good enough” to merely propose a “theory”?
There was a documentary, I think A&E or perhaps National Geographic? about the couple (two scientists) that searched in vain to disprove God but were more than ever convinced He exists once completed.
I wish I could remember the name of that...
Now, in the end, rather or not this is enough “PROOF” is only relevant to YOU.
I’m not a theorist or ID scientist, haven’t done research myself for years and years, so I don’t think I can help you...as I couldn’t even easily locate something on Darwin right now.
But my previous point was that you didn’t need the internet to submit papers within the past 20 years in Scientific Journals, let alone find them as easily as you assert.
The lawsuits are against attempts to teach religious doctrines in public school science classes. That's quite a different thing from what Stein's movie complains about.
As to other attempts to censor free religious expression in public (i.e. Christmas, the 10 Comandments, etc), I stand with you in opposing them. But this is a completely different issue.