Posted on 04/28/2008 12:01:40 PM PDT by Delacon
Look Delacon, you’ve got the whole public school system to push your theories down kid’s throats. Take it easy bud...
Well, I understand his point, but you can overplay your hand too. I don’t like the trashing of a film that represents the views of many people. None of us has a lock on the truth. We think we have a pretty good idea, but then along comes some new discovery and throws everything on its head. I don’t see the harm in allowed free speach in this nation. People are generally smart enough to figure it out. (but not always, admittedly)
I’m surprised you needsupporting evidence for thst statement. Are you unaware of the secularization of Europe?
And Godless liberals fit in better at places like the Daily Kos.
The vast VAST majority of conservatives are God loving God fearing people that love America and free speech.
AND we don’t take to kind to elitists saying we cling to God and our guns out of fear either!
I was just pointing out that Europe will not be a good market for Expelled.
What the best available empirical research reveals is that secularization is unambiguously observable in most of Western Europe, but not in the United States. In fact, religion remains remarkably strong in the United States. For instance, more than 95 percent of Americans claim to believe in God or a universal spirit or lifeforce, compared to 61 percent of the British; nearly 80 percent of Americans claim to believe in heaven, compared to 50 percent of the British; 84 percent of Americans believe that Jesus is God or the son of God, compared to 46 percent of the British (Gallup and Lindsay 1999). Comparing additional traditional religious beliefs, over 70 percent of Americans believe in life after death, compared to 46 percent of Italians, 43 percent of the French, and 35 percent of Scandinavians (Gallup 1979). And over 70 percent of Americans believe in bell, compared to only 28 percent of the British (Greeley 1995). Concerning traditional religious participation, nearly 45 percent of Americans attend church more than once a week, compared to 23 percent of Belgians, 19 percent of West Germans, 13 percent of the British, 10 percent of the French, 3 percent of Danes, and only 2 percent of Icelanders (Verweij, Ester, and Nauta 1997).
First, "If the evolutionists are right, then there is no God." is simply unreasonable. I'm an evolutionist and think it quite possible that there could be a God who set up the laws and processes by which we got from fourteen billion years ago to today.
Second, your entire sentence as quoted above can be restated as, "In order for us to have inalienable rights, it's imperative that evolution not be true." That may be a good rationale for any given person to want to believe in creation, but it's well short of being a scientific argument.
Reminds me of David Letterman bashing O’Reilly, when Bill asked what it was that he said that David disagreed with, Letterman didn’t have a clue, never actually even heard him, but nevertheless said it was “stupid”...whatever it was.
Elitists and liberals are like that, can’ think for themselves, but allow the pack mentality to do their thinking for them. Oblivious as to how stupid it is, AND how idiotic it makes them.
Nevermind the VAST majority of people in this country believe in a creator ABOVE science (or any other tool of man), and reject we just inexplicably came from a big bang/pri-mordial soup?
It's just that I personally don't believe in the supernatural, and want science to continue to be characterized by an exploration of the natural world and the natural laws that drive it.
You might be surprised to learn how many conservatives think the same way.
We’re ALL too familiar with the way liberals whine when their opponents get a voice, it’s not a problem....the lawsuits liberal so quickly turn to will be taken up by more and more Christians FED UP with liberals:
ThomasMore.org
aclj.org
AND we heard the same whining about the Passion of the Christ.
“And over 70 percent of Americans believe in bell.”
Who is Bell? I knew a Bell once. I believed her for a time. Kidding. Lots of people who believe in God don’t believe in creationism or ID. I am one of them.
That typo was in the original. I take it from context that it refers to hell :).
I think that way too
That has to be one of the all time dumbest posts ever posted ANYWHERE!
There are more Christians, (muslims, etc.) in Europe and Asia than you’ve been brainwashed to believe!
Or are you actually of the belief that people that believe in God somehow DON’T believe he created all we know?
Well said. But liberalas like to project alot.
The official European Union position on ID
Doc. 11297
8 June 2007
The dangers of creationism in education
Report
Committee on Culture, Science and Education
Summary
The theory of evolution is being attacked by religious fundamentalists who call for creationist theories to be taught in European schools alongside or even in place of it. From a scientific view point there is absolutely no doubt that evolution is a central theory for our understanding of the Universe and of life on Earth.
Creationism in any of its forms, such as “intelligent design”, is not based on facts, does not use any scientific reasoning and its contents are pathetically inadequate for science classes.
The Assembly calls on education authorities in member States to promote scientific knowledge and the teaching of evolution and to oppose firmly any attempts at teaching creationism as a scientific discipline.
A. Draft resolution
1. The Parliamentary Assembly is worried about the possible ill-effects of the spread of creationist theories within our education systems and about the consequences for our democracies. If we are not careful, creationism could become a threat to human rights, which are a key concern of the Council of Europe.
2. Creationism, born of the denial of the evolution of species through natural selection, was for a long time an almost exclusively American phenomenon. Today creationist theories are tending to find their way into Europe and their spread is affecting quite a few Council of Europe member states.
3. The prime target of present-day creationists, most of whom are Christian or Muslim, is education. Creationists are bent on ensuring that their theories are included in the school science syllabus. Creationism cannot, however, lay claim to being a scientific discipline.
4. Creationists question the scientific character of certain items of knowledge and argue that the theory of evolution is only one interpretation among others. They accuse scientists of not providing enough evidence to establish the theory of evolution as scientifically valid. On the contrary, they defend their own statements as scientific. None of this stands up to objective analysis.
5. We are witnessing a growth of modes of thought which, the better to impose religious dogma, are attacking the very core of the knowledge that we have patiently built up on nature, evolution, our origins and our place in the universe.
6. There is a real risk of a serious confusion being introduced into our children’s minds between what has to do with convictions, beliefs and ideals and what has to do with science, and of the advent of an “all things are equal” attitude, which may seem appealing and tolerant but is actually disastrous.
7. Creationism has many contradictory aspects. The “intelligent design” theory, which is the latest, more refined version of creationism, does not deny a certain degree of evolution but claims that this is the work of a superior intelligence and not natural selection. Though more subtle in its presentation, the doctrine of intelligent design is no less dangerous.
8. The Assembly has constantly insisted that science is of fundamental importance. Science has made possible considerable improvements in living and working conditions and is a not insignificant factor in economic, technological and social development. The theory of evolution has nothing to do with divine revelation but is built on facts.
9. Creationism claims to be based on scientific rigour. In actual fact the methods employed by creationists are of three types: purely dogmatic assertions; distorted use of scientific quotations, sometimes illustrated with magnificent photographs; and backing from well-known scientists, most of whom are not biologists. By these means creationists seek to appeal to non-specialists and sow doubt and confusion in their minds.
10. Evolution is not simply a matter of the evolution of humans and of populations. Denying it could have serious consequences for the development of our societies. Advances in medical research with the aim of effectively combating infectious diseases such as AIDS are impossible if every principle of evolution is denied. One cannot be fully aware of the risks involved in the significant decline in biodiversity and climate change if the mechanisms of evolution are not understood.
11. Our modern world is based on a long history, of which the development of science and technology forms an important part. However, the scientific approach is still not well understood and this is liable to encourage the development of all manner of fundamentalism and extremism, synonymous with attacks of utmost virulence on human rights. The total rejection of science is definitely one of the most serious threats to human rights and civic rights.
12. The war on the theory of evolution and on its proponents most often originates in forms of religious extremism which are closely allied to extreme right-wing political movements. The creationist movements possess real political power. The fact of the matter, and this has been exposed on several occasions, is that the advocates of strict creationism are out to replace democracy by theocracy.
13. All leading representatives of the main monotheistic religions have adopted a much more moderate attitude. Pope Benedict XVI, for example, as his predecessor Pope John-Paul II, today praises the role of the sciences in the evolution of humanity and recognises that the theory of evolution is “more than a hypothesis”.
14. The teaching of all phenomena concerning evolution as a fundamental scientific theory is therefore crucial to the future of our societies and our democracies. For that reason it must occupy a central position in the curriculum, and especially in the science syllabus. Evolution is present everywhere, from medical overprescription of antibiotics that encourages the emergence of resistant bacteria to agricultural overuse of pesticides that causes insect mutations on which pesticides no longer have any effect.
15. The Council of Europe has highlighted the importance of teaching about culture and religion. In the name of freedom of expression and individual belief, creationist theories, as any other theological position, could possibly be presented as an addition to cultural and religious education, but they cannot claim scientific respectability.
16. Science provides irreplaceable training in intellectual rigour. It seeks not to explain “why things are” but to understand how they work.
17. Investigation of the creationists’ growing influence shows that the arguments between creationism and evolution go well beyond intellectual debate. If we are not careful, the values that are the very essence of the Council of Europe will be under direct threat from creationist fundamentalists. It is part of the role of the Council’s parliamentarians to react before it is too late.
18. The Parliamentary Assembly therefore urges the member states, and especially their education authorities, to:
18.1. defend and promote scientific knowledge;
18.2. strengthen the teaching of the foundations of science, its history, its epistemology and its methods alongside the teaching of objective scientific knowledge;
18.3. make science more comprehensible, more attractive and closer to the realities of the contemporary world;
18.4. firmly oppose the teaching of creationism as a scientific discipline on an equal footing with the theory of evolution by natural selection and in general resist presentation of creationist theories in any discipline other than religion;
18.5. promote the teaching of evolution by natural selection as a fundamental scientific theory in the school curriculum.
19. The Assembly welcomes the fact that, in June 2006, 27 Academies of Science of Council of Europe member states signed a declaration on the teaching of evolution and calls on academies of science that have not yet done so to sign the declaration.
Yup....little weasely liberals like Michael Newdow hijacking his own daughter to get God out of the pledge...they hijack government, if they can’t do that, it’s the legal system.
Sad little angry people, liberals!
You have to do a double take when you are in common cause on anything with that crowd btw.
You mean like what you and Godless liberals have in common with ObamaNATION of ISLAM’s ELITIST VIEWS OF CONSERVATIVES that bitterly cling to God and guns?
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