What it was supposed to be and what it became in practice are two different things.
Wrong. In 2006, the Hegel-Martinez Amnesty bill [S 2611] passed the Senate. It was the Reps who stopped it in the House, i.e., Jim Sensenbrenner.
A little reading comprehension goes a long way. In my post I said it was defeated. In other words, it was a legislative victory for conservatives and others opposed to immigration "reform." I said that our republican form of government worked as designed, which it did, yet conservatives like you still whine.
Battles are won, but the war is still on.
Yes, it sure is. You claimed that it would be harder to defeat immigration "reform" if McCain is president. I pointed out these facts:
--> That immigration "reform" was defeated with a Republican in the White House and Republicans in larger numbers in Congress than would be the case under a President Obama or a President H. Clinton. To be blunt, conservatives would still have some influence if Republicans do better than predicted this fall.--> If we have a President Obama or President H. Clinton and huge Dem margins in Congress, nobody is going to listen to us.
We? Do you have a mouse in your pocket?
Oh, puhleeese. Don't make yourself out to be a clueless moron. Conservatives across the country vigorously agitated against immigration "reform" using the wide range of ways citizens have at their disposal to influence legislation -- from calling in to talk radio, to emails, phone calls and letters to their congress critters, to blogs and opinion pieces, to posting on web forums such as FR.
I have no idea what you mean by "a true amnesty with no strings attached." What the hell do you think the 2006 and 2007 amnesty bills were?
Those bills included fines and other provisions that put at least nominal strings on a "path" to citizenship. The Marxist Democrats that would sweep into office with Obama or Clinton wouldn't even do that much. Most of them want to erase all borders.
The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986. "8 USC 1101 note" was never fully implemented. It is also worth noting that Ed Meese calls it a mistake and that the process was riddled with fraud. The USG estimated one million would apply and the real number turned out to be 3 million. Currently, the USG estimates that there are 12 million illegals
A little reading comprehension goes a long way. In my post I said it was defeated. In other words, it was a legislative victory for conservatives and others opposed to immigration "reform." I said that our republican form of government worked as designed, which it did, yet conservatives like you still whine.
And if/when it passes, you will say that our republican form of government worked. I guess anything that passes is vindication of the system for you. Did McCain-Feingold demonstrate that our republican form of government worked? Your reasoning is specious to say the least.
That immigration "reform" was defeated with a Republican in the White House and Republicans in larger numbers in Congress than would be the case under a President Obama or a President H. Clinton. To be blunt, conservatives would still have some influence if Republicans do better than predicted this fall. .
The bill was defeated despite having a Pro-amnesty President in the WH. If McCain is elected it will signal to the many RINOs in Congress, especially the Senate that there is no political price to pay for supporting amnesty. Many of the RINOs who voted against cloture in 2007, voted for amnesty in the 2006 bill. I spoke personally to Tom Coburn about his support of McCain and the possibility of amnesty. He said that he would fight McCain "tooth and nail" if he tried to get an amnesty. I responded that is well and good but the Dems control Congress and many Reps will go along to get along with McCain.
If we have a President Obama or President H. Clinton and huge Dem margins in Congress, nobody is going to listen to us.
If you mean by "us" conservatives, the same holds true with McCain. A McCain victory marginalizes the conservative influence in the GOP and will move the party further to the Left. The lesson is that you can win with a coalition of moderate Reps, independents, and conservative Dems.
Oh, puhleeese. Don't make yourself out to be a clueless moron. Conservatives across the country vigorously agitated against immigration "reform" using the wide range of ways citizens have at their disposal to influence legislation -- from calling in to talk radio, to emails, phone calls and letters to their congress critters, to blogs and opinion pieces, to posting on web forums such as FR.
What did you do personally, bub? Are you one of those keyboard commandos who like to claim credit for the sunrise? I have spent many hours and money trying to stop amnesty, which will destroy this country. Are you involved in any grassroots level organizations? I am. What have you done at the state and local level? I have attended hearings and lobbied the state legislature to pass bills? I have supported local candidates supporting my position handing out literature door to door. I have attended town meetings confronting elected officials about their stance on manesty and immigration. And I have been doing it prior to these bills being introduced in the Senate. That's what I meant by a mouse in your pocket, you moron.
Those bills included fines and other provisions that put at least nominal strings on a "path" to citizenship. The Marxist Democrats that would sweep into office with Obama or Clinton wouldn't even do that much. Most of them want to erase all borders.
You can't be that clueless. The 1986 Reagan amnesty bill actually contained many of the same provisions and was actually more retrictive on who could apply for amnesty, e.g., you had to have entered the United States before January 1, 1982. The 2006 Senate bill required just 2 years and the 2007 bill, McCain-Kennedy, required presence in the US before January 1, 2007. The bills are getting less restrictive.
Obama and Hillary and McCain signed the 2006 Secure Fence Act. They all pay lip service to securing the border and getting to the back of the line when it comes to citizenship. Obama and Hillary voted for the amnesty bills McCain had a major role in writing. If you think that a Hillary/Obama amnesty would be any different than a McCain bill, you are buying the McCain spin. You are talking thru your hat.
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