Thanks for the compliment. It’s nice to actually debate something. While we may not change each other’s mind, we’ll at least be able to hone our arguments and get an alternative point of view.
I tend to agree with you on the “Jimmy Carter to get to Ronald Reagan” theory.
My disagreement is whether or not we should let it happen now or in 4 years.
My position is McCain now, consequences later as I think we’re finally seeing some progress in Iraq. I do agree, things have to be a lot better in the next year and a half or the troops have to come home.
I’ll have to leave your Turkey of an argument (haha) for later, because that’s a good point. I’d forgotten about Ataturk. (It’s obvious you’re not a liberal, because you actually pay attention to history and are able to draw conclusions from it) I’m only leaving it for later, as I’m just having my morning coffee and need to get ready for work.
Keep it up, this is one of the few debates I’ve had that didn’t devolve into “you’re just a big poopy head and mean, too.”
We'll soon know who McCain's going to pick for VP; win or lose, that person is going to be catapulted into a potential early front-runner position to be the next Republican nominee. I sure hope it isn't somebody lame like Huckabee, or somebody who really couldn't get nominated in his own right like Romney, or even worse (for a thousand reasons), Lindsey Graham.
If McCain fails to do what GWB also failed at, which is find a great conservative to take over for the future, then I say, pull the trigger now. Besides, I don't think a McCain presidency is going to do good things for us in retaking Congress, and we are especially going to need rock-ribbed conservatives there if we're going to avoid the most liberal parts of a McCain agenda. I don't worry as much in asking Republicans to oppose Clinton or Obama's socialism. We dodged a big bullet on shamnesty this last year, we probably won't be so lucky during a McCain presidency.
Don't get me wrong, I don't despise John McCain anywhere near as much as I do either Democrat, I just remember surviving Bubba by having conservatives figure out quickly who they were early on in his first term. We now have the power of the Internet, and the way things are going, either Barry O or the Hildebeest are going to have an extremely tough time governing, if they have already lost the support and trust of both the Republicans and the faction they had to alienate in order to get the nomination.
We dealt with Harriet Miers and shamnesty by the power of the Internet, and since the last DemonRat SCOTUS appointee happened before most folks were online, we can 'bork' Clinton/Obama nominees. Remember that the libs had the same Internet, and were not able to stop Roberts or Alito. We're much better at the game than they are.
Keep it up, this is one of the few debates I’ve had that didn’t devolve into “you’re just a big poopy head and mean, too.”
Well, there are certainly times my lady thinks that about me, but we still get along! I also appreciate a great exchange of factually informed opinion, I've been a FReeper for ten years, and I learn just as much here now as I ever did.