Rozita Swinton Doesn’t Like the FLDS (abuse call came from her phone)

Dreamin Demon ^ | April 20th, 2008

[higgmeister]

I really don't think that Texas, Utah, Arizona and British Columbia, and Bush's FBI are in a grand conspiracy of this magnitude to put Obama into the White House.

Why will you not address my point? Do you understand that it is possible that Democrat dirty tricksters might look for unfolding events and attempt to manipulate them at a convenient time with just an anonymous tip to give them political advantage? That is the only important point.

It has nothing to do with Romney, Texas, Utah, British Columbia, President Bush, the FBI, the State Attorneys General or any other insignificant fact or happenstance.

I'm talking about Democrat Fraud just as vile as their punching hanging chads in Florida.

[ansel12]

Oh, you mean the phone call? I’m a little distracted tonight, I really am not trying to drive you crazy.

If it is the phone call, I still don’t see it, Texas was poised for this and even had an informant inside.

The real bottom line is that I don’t care, we have been trying to bust these people for 75 years, and when they moved out of their Mormon sanctuary into Texas, that was too much.

I want these pervs hurt badly, even broken up if we can pull it off and I want them out of Texas.

[higgmeister]

I want these pervs hurt badly, even broken up if we can pull it off and I want them out of Texas.

Well, in that sense, I see how you feel. I am torn by the fact that authorities will act on a tip and in turn destroy the secure home life of a child to put them in much greater lasting harm than anything they may have experienced in the so called abusive situation. I once worked as a counselor in a youth home that accepted wards of the state. Nothing could alleviate the anguish those boys experienced in that hostile situation. I will never forget Tommy and Jimmy, brothers that were place there by a judge because of their parent's custody battle. Catch the pervert and put him in prison! Don't incarcerate the child or mother.

[ansel12]

"Well, in that sense, I see how you feel. I am torn by the fact that authorities will act on a tip and in turn destroy the secure home life of a child to put them in much greater lasting harm than anything they may have experienced in the so called abusive situation."

Many of those children in the compound don't know who their parents are, or where their parents live. In this cult the humans are components and can be reassigned to different units, even the children can be reassigned as some were to this compound. The female children are being bred and raised to be used in marriages, the males are sometimes kept to serve as husbands and leaders but are also thinned out mercilessly when they come of age to compete with the older men for the carefully cultivated girls. There is no security, these people are not a family unit. The cult is evil, not different, this is a rescue.

[Between the Lines]

How can our society charge somebody with polygamy when we do not charge people with adultery?

Adultry is not a crime in Texas.

Almost half of the states in the United States recognize adultery as a crime. Most such states recognize adultery simply as a misdemeanor offense, but five states (Idaho, Massachusetts, Michigan, Oklahoma and Wisconsin) still treat adultery as a possible felony crime potentially punishable by more than one year imprisonment. Prosecutions are rare, but still do happen. The map below shows states that recognize adultery as a felony in red and states that recognize adultery as a misdemeanor in pink.

[Colofornian]

As I posted, in medical cases, an abortion MAY be considered:

For those of you who haven't seen the 1973 Mormon statement on abortion or the statement on abortion in the LDS bishops handbook, allow me to "translate" CYTD's Mormon PR cover:

* IF you have a COMPETENT physician...

The fact of the matter is that most abortions these days -- about 90%--are done in free-standing abortion clinics & only about 10% combined in hospitals or private physicians' offices. What does that mean then when CYTD talks about "physician?" Well, it means that LDS leaders perhaps had good intentions when they wrote that 1973 statement; but it's become badly outdated. Now, most recommendations for abortions come from abortionists--not "competent medical physicians" as the LDS statement says. Besides, if an LDS family wants an abortion, all they need to do is to ensure they see a full-time or part-time abortionist, who will in turn make the recommendation.

* and IF that competent physician determines that the baby WILL NOT SURVIVE BIRTH

Oh, yeah..."competent physicians" are now "prophets?" (give me a break) Just about the only guarantee of a dead baby prior to an early C-section removal are conditions like ectopic pregnancies...and in those situations, not only do you have a guaranteed dead baby but the baby will wind up killing mom. In those cases, where the baby 100% will die anyway, then that's about the only type of case where you have abortion as genuine self-defense.

The WHOLE truth...The clear implication by wideawake was that the LDS abort babies willy nilly if the parents find out the child will be born deformed—meaning what? Down’s syndrome? Cleft palate? Mentally retarded? Severely autistic? Missing limbs? Conjoined twins? If you don’t like what your baby’s going to come out looking like, go ahead and kill him. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Yeah, CYTD, the LDS statement clearly says "health of the mother" not "life" of the mother. (So much for your "whole truth...nothing could be further from the truth") No true self-respecting pro-life legislator would ever settle for "health of the mother" protective language for pre-born...only "life of the mother" means anything because the abortion industry treats "health" as all those examples you mention. So, again, it comes down to the wishes of the pregnant parents as advised by their abortionist or doc.

...an abortion may be considered...

Was there a reason you left out the other exceptions the LDS statement gives? Rape, incest. Or how about this "doosey"...If the LDS woman prays about it, or the LDS father prays about it, and God says, "OK. Have at it. Dismember Johnny or Janey Smith."

I think that aspect of the LDS statement on abortion has to be among the most slanderous statements about God...that God would somehow become complicit and a conspirator in the plan to dismember a pre-born baby by giving the nod to his or her extermination--all in the name of a "personal revelation" answer to prayer!

[pandoraou812]

The CPS bureaucrat Angie Voss made the comment that when a man falls out of favor and leaves the FLDS group he will sometimes leave his wife/(family) behind and the women will be reallocated to other men

I have heard & read of stories where the men were tossed out & wanted their families. But the women & children WERE GIVEN TO OTHER MEN! The men become shunned & are cast out, much like the Lost Boys are. The women trust that if the Prophet tells them to go to another man they must or risk damnation. Families are also tossed out of their homes on the Prophet's whims. Its a strange bunch.

After all this Angie Voss woman said she even felt afraid in the relatively peaceful (virtually weaponless) FLDS ranch.

Whatever the reason, since David Allred, Jeffs' business agent and son-in-law, purchased the ranch for $700,000, sect work crews from Arizona and Utah have built the estimated 90,000- square-foot temple, a limestone quarry, a cement plant and a guard tower that's manned 24 hours a day.

http://www.rickross.com/reference/polygamy/polygamy360.html

So why the guard tower thats manned 24 hours a day? To keep people inside or let them know when someone is coming on YFZ land?

Yes I do have a problem with babies being held under water & little girls raped by fathers & given as child brides as soon as they are old enough for childbirth. I also am damn sick & tired of ANY GROUP that BLEEDS THE BEAST! The BEAST being our govt & our tax money. Be it FLDS, welfare mothers or Muslims etc..Its needs to end! I am going to home school next year because I am sick of the gay agenda being taught in schools along with some other issues I have. I do not fear the govt coming in & taking my child.

[fproy2222]

The clear implication by wideawake was that the LDS abort babies willy nilly if the parents find out the child will be born deformed—meaning what? Down’s syndrome? Cleft palate? Mentally retarded? Severely autistic? Missing limbs? Conjoined twins? If you don’t like what your baby’s going to come out looking like, go ahead and kill him.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

As I posted, in medical cases, an abortion MAY be considered:

* IF you have a COMPETENT physician,
* and IF that competent physician determines that the baby WILL NOT SURVIVE BIRTH

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Don't get too upset , this is just a normal anti-Mormons way of taking something we say and adding their words to and making it something it isn't.

It is usually something that makes them look better by making us look bad by adding to the truth.

[Elsie]

This is not the first time Rozita Swinton has made up a good story and called authorities.

HMmm...

I've heard that folks do this.

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http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/19#19
  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”

[Elsie]

After the Civil War, the US government put an end to the illegal LDS theocracy in Utah.

NOT Lincoln...

[Elsie]

A competent physician determines that the fetus has severe defects that will not allow the baby to survive beyond birth.

“LDS doctrine permits the abortion of deformed children.”

What is the diference you are so upset about?

[Elsie]

If a child is going to be born deformed and will live past birth, abortion is NEVER an option.

I did not read this from your link.

[Elsie]

I bet more young boys are raped by Catholic priests than babies are aborted by Mormons.

I'll bet you'd be wrong.

[Elsie]

I have been watching this for two years and discovered that every event had a political relationship to the 2008 election. Every event is connected to the FBI starting with Jeff's introduction to the mainstream media by making the FBI 10 most wanted list.

Even paranoids might have a real enemy!

[Elsie]

About 40 years passed after the end of the Civil War before the Feds were able to convince the LDS Church (through brute force) to officially end polygamy.

But... but...

. . . I saw exactly what would come to pass if there was not something done. I have had this spirit upon me for a long time. But I want to say this: I should have let all the temples go out of our hands; I should have gone to prison myself, and let every other man go there, had not the God of heaven commanded me to do what I did do; and when the hour came that I was commanded to do that, it was all clear to me. I went before the Lord, and I wrote what the Lord told me to write. . . .

[Elsie]

Ok so why is wideawake a liar?

Why do YOU hate us: you BIGOT!

--MormonDude(I love Jesus!)

[Elsie]

The clear implication ...

I wasn't 'clear' to me.

Are you able to read his mind?

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Nothing could be further from the truth.

What is the TRUTH is a Mormon DOES have an abortion?

What is the church's official policy?

Is there any repercussions towards her?

Is she excommunicated?

Chastised?

Given more training?

[Elsie]

I do not fear the govt coming in & taking my child.

Heck!

A couple of mine, they can HAVE!

[Elsie]

Don't get too upset , this is just a normal anti-Mormons way of taking something we say and adding their words to and making it something it isn't.

To counter the...

... normal Mormon way of leaving something out and making it appear like something it isn't.

[phrogphlyer]

First implication I've seen that this was a life-or-death matter.

What percentage of someone's life and liberties must be stolen before it becomes "a matter of life and death"?

What percentage of your life and liberties are you willing to forfeit before you would consider yourself wronged?

What percentage of your life and liberties are you willing to surrender to a government that presumes to know better than you how to raise your children?

This sets a dangerous precedent - removing 400+ children from their families on the basis of one phone call. But, it's for the children, so I guess that makes it all OK, right?