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The Economics of College (Thomas Sowell)
Townhall.com ^ | April 22, 2008 | Thomas Sowell

Posted on 04/21/2008 9:06:12 PM PDT by jazusamo

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To: jazusamo
Thank you.

My daughter is home schooling her three and though the oldest is only fifteen the benefits are showing. It’s a shame more don’t home school their kids but then many simply don’t have the time or the inclination to do it, it’s hard work.

My praise and good wishes for your daughter and her three. Oh yes, she is doing hard work. Nothing can match the work and dedication involved with homeschooling. Nothing. It's 25/7, nonstop. It is good for the children; but it also requires mastery, self-discipline, and self-control in the homeschooling parent.

I once thought I had excellent professional management skills (in the workplace) but since homeschooling, I am the Queen of Management.

Your daughter may not feel like a Queen yet; but rest assured, her crown awaits her.

41 posted on 04/22/2008 6:53:29 PM PDT by Alia
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To: Tax-chick
Hi Tax-Chick!

Having met your delightful children, they and you are right on track for absolute success! Recalling their ages, yes, I remember that stage. You wonder. I can now look back and I coin that particular age-stage of my children as the in "teen-transit" and "pre-launch" years. Once they are launched, there are newer hurdles. And then they begin to get a groove going. You get to put your feet up a bit more, lay that Tiara down and put on your crown and order the pets around, in between episodic newer challenges which your grown children simply MUST discuss, share, reveal, consider, worry over, with YOU. :)

42 posted on 04/22/2008 7:00:47 PM PDT by Alia
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To: Alia

I don’t suppose there’s any chance they’ll take the pets with them ... the snake is supposed to live another 15 years, and the kitten probably will, too. (But it’s my kitten :-).

Anoreth - the short girl with the orange hair and the Opinions - plans to join the military next summer. She wants to go to Iraq, have Adventures, and save the country. She also talks about dying gloriously - gets that from all the “blood and thunder” literature she reads.

We’ve put in thirteen years of homeschooling so far, and we can expect another sixteen, so it’s a good thing I can’t think of anything more fun to do with my life!


43 posted on 04/23/2008 5:51:40 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("It's hard to be stressed out over your spouse while you're in a bathtub drinking wine together.")
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To: gigster

I have read every one of his books and all of them are worth reading. He is perceptive, intellegent and thinks outside the box. He is also the place to go for a sane and worldwide perspective on race relatons.


44 posted on 04/23/2008 6:54:33 AM PDT by Chickensoup (If it is not permitted, it is prohibited. Only the government can permit....)
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To: jazusamo

The Economics of College (Thomas Sowell)


45 posted on 04/23/2008 6:55:16 AM PDT by steelyourfaith
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To: steelyourfaith

Thanks for your posts, syf. :)


46 posted on 04/23/2008 7:12:40 AM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: Tax-chick
None of mine took our pets with 'em. Now, I have to keep reminding them to not adopt a pet. Yet. So they all come home to get the pet-loves. And make exclamations like: "I don't think Witter recognized me, ma..." The last of my sibling 19 year old cats passed away late last year. Yes, we held the funerals with our cells phones on, gathered around the funeral plots in the woods. Holding a phone in each hand, I could hear the weeping as Prayers were officiated for the passings of such magnificent and loyal pets.

Anoreth in the military would obtain an education of such an order as cannot be found anywhere else in the world. Military is an absolutely incredible educational experience, Tax-chick. And the homeschooling my kids received have stood them well in re military.

When my eldest daughter was at boot camp, and she was getting disciplined by her First Sarge(s), she'd start laughing, when all around her were shuddering and looking for rocks to climb under. And she wouldn't leave 'em alone.

Finally, one asked her what was so **)(*& funny! She told him he reminded her of her mom. SO, when I went to her graduation from boot camp at Fort Jackson, all her drill sarge's *had* had to meet me. My daughter just simply wasn't scared of 'em. (I can only imagine what they had thought I'd be like, lol). We had a great time together. (I think Anoreth and my eldest must have read the same books about "blood and thunder!".)

so it’s a good thing I can’t think of anything more fun to do with my life!

It doesn't end, even when they get out on their own. Those ties and trusts forged never go away.

I never tried to be their friend. We went through so much together, that a "brotherhood" (a strong family) was forged.

My eldest misses parachuting, btw. She's not able to do that anymore. However, that hasn't stopped her in the slightest from achieving and suceeding in any regard or desire or goal of her heart.

Nothing will stop your children from dreaming and achieving, either. And you and your groom will keep on being amazing and delighted in them. Now, they teach me so much that they have and are learning. It's really cool. :)

47 posted on 04/23/2008 7:15:38 PM PDT by Alia
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To: jazusamo

Just marking to read later.


48 posted on 04/23/2008 8:31:05 PM PDT by ReagansShinyHair
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To: Alia

I told Anoreth that if she wants a pet in the military, a fish in a jar is a good idea. (My brother had cats in Europe, but he kept having to find new homes for them when he moved, because he couldn’t transfer them between countries.) I figure the first week of Basic will knock the stuffing out of her, and after that, the immediate rewards for excelling will motivate her to excel.

All my children are fun now, even when they’re Impossible, so I’m looking forward to what they do with the rest of their lives. Pat may live in the basement with a snake and invent cold fusion :-). He walked off from us at the zoo on Monday, and when I found him, he said, “Oh, here you are! I wanted a drink of water, and I had to tell the tortoise something.”


49 posted on 04/24/2008 5:16:34 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("A man grasps his sword in hand, takes his stance, and demands the true price of his hide.")
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To: Tax-chick

I’m sitting here with the hugest and fondest grin on my face, Tax-Chick. Your delight in your children is the gift which keeps on giving to each and all. The world will try your children, and your children will never lose their innate innocence. That innocence is not naiivete. It’s how children are supposed to be raised, and to carry that gift with them through the rest of their lives. Yes, you do live “Mother’s Day” every single day of the year. :)


50 posted on 04/24/2008 5:23:51 AM PDT by Alia
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Yes, you do live “Mother’s Day” every single day of the year. :)

I grew into it over the years. At some point, I realized that I loved having a baby to carry around like a big, sweaty stuffed animal; and that Tom and Pat were just weird, so we might as well have fun with it; and that everyone except my mother thinks my children are turning out really well.

Mom actually said that Anoreth wouldn't have any options except joining the military if she didn't work harder, and Anoreth said, "Oh, what a good idea!" (Leaving Mom to wish she'd kept quiet ...) Anoreth will start community college in the fall, and I sort of hope she really loves college classes and decides to consider ROTC or National Guard service, instead of enlisting. On the other hand, if a girl wants to have Adventures, 18 is the right time to do it. She wants to be a mechanic or an MP.

I just realized I don't have to get her a standarized test this month, because she took the SAT earlier in the year. That leaves just the little girls needing tests; Bill and Tom did theirs in December.

51 posted on 04/24/2008 5:44:03 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("A man grasps his sword in hand, takes his stance, and demands the true price of his hide.")
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To: Tax-chick
In re your mother... Neither side of our families approved of what we were doing, either. But, as the kids hit the "launching" years, suddenly, their tunes changed: They were very proud of us. How many years did it take of their pointed questions and assertions before the "taking pride in" happened? Quite a few. So, it goes.

You are right to wish that Anoreth get her degree (even an AA/AS) before enlisting. It does make a difference.

I have to laugh. My middle daughter, currently undergoing finals at a U laments to me that she's been going to college since she was 11, and asks, clingingly: "Mom, I understand your analogies concerning being trapped inside "Freddy Krueger's body" -- will I ever really get out of college?"

Do homeschooled students in NC have to be state tested each year?

52 posted on 04/25/2008 4:57:37 AM PDT by Alia
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Even my mother is positive, sometimes. I think she’s just forgotten what monsters my brother and I were. (Probably doesn’t even know some of it ...)

Yes, NC requires annual testing. They have to take *some* nationally-used standardized test, and we have to keep the results on file. The state doesn’t get to examine the results or have an opinion on them, but they could, if they wanted to, turn up on my doorstep and ask to see that we have an attendance record, a current-year test result, and a vaccination record.

Anoreth has been at home all her life, helping to take care of younger children. I think she really wants to go somewhere with no kids!


53 posted on 04/25/2008 5:06:09 AM PDT by Tax-chick (When my mothership lands, you're all toast.)
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To: Tax-chick
It's true; sometimes grandparents can forget what it's like to raise youngin's. What is also true? They can remember too well, and all that they learned from their experience. I recall a conversation with my dad about my own kids many years ago. He said something like "Well what did you think we were trying to accomplish?" And my response? "Well gee, dad, when I was a kid I wasn't observing you in order to take lessons on HOW to be a parent, I was a kid trying to figure my "world" out!" lol

I always kept the same records in CA that you here are required to keep in NC. I did this for my own record. I kept a daily log, in fact, just so I could keep track of lessons, events, etc. (At that time, the College/U system throughout CA had been rancorously declaring they would NOT accept homeschooled students. I was geared to battle that when I came to it.)

Later, the state requested R-4 filers keep attendance records, etc.

Anoreth will indeed enjoy her newer life with no kids to supervise; but you, my dear, are going to miss her sorely! :>

54 posted on 04/26/2008 5:37:59 AM PDT by Alia
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You’re right - I will really miss Anoreth when she leaves home. She’s been my intellectual companion on a pretty equal level for a couple of years. I don’t have the same relationship with Bill, which is fine since he’s a boy - he ought to be more identified with his father.

Maybe Elen, who is 10 now, will turn interesting :-).


55 posted on 04/27/2008 2:15:50 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Como estrella en claro cielo, de fulgente resplandor, escogida fue Maria por designo del Senor.)
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To: Tax-chick
When and if she does, I hope to be around for you to lean against. Amazing thing when my eldest went away, I kept feeling like I'd been amputated -- like something just was not quite "there" about my life. Didn't make the obvious connection. Took me a bit to recognize empty nest syndrome. Now second child is launched, and here it is again.

Next child is preparing to be launched. He's in many ways the most like me.

Ellen IS interesting. :)

56 posted on 04/27/2008 2:43:22 PM PDT by Alia
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To: Alia

Bill is encouraging Anoreth to join the Army this year, because he wants her room for himself and his lizards. She’s not buying :-). Our church has a part-time secretarial job open, and I’m encouraging her to call about it. She’s got the skills, and it would leave her time to attend college classes.

It’s hard to imagine “empty nest” when I’ll still have 7 children at home, but it will definitely be like having a close friend move away!


57 posted on 04/27/2008 2:49:05 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Como estrella en claro cielo, de fulgente resplandor, escogida fue Maria por designo del Senor.)
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To: Tax-chick
I think the plan to have her work while going to college is a good one. Very good one. I hope she does this. OTOH, Bill's right about eyeing Anoreth's room. :>

In re empty nest -- that's what got me, too. Eldest child launched, and I internally felt like a core element of my being was gone, and I couldn't figure it out because I still had my hands quite full with the rest of the kids. You know... they work hard to fill up the void left by the birdie which has flown the nest.

But it was there, regardless. Best thing I did was recognize it, deal with it. Recognizing she may never live under my protective roof again. But then, before we knew it she was in Afghanistan in early 2002, and empty nest was quickly replaced by: Please God, look after my child.

Out of the frying pan eternally, eh? lol

I don't think I exhaled until she made it back on US terra firma, alive. Didn't matter it wasn't under my roof, or injured -- but on US terra firma and alive.

My prayer once I recognize my empty nest condition? I prayed: Dear Lord, please help me cope and recover from missing her so much. And He did. Oh yes, did He. lol

58 posted on 04/27/2008 2:58:23 PM PDT by Alia
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