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Posted on 04/20/2008 7:58:38 PM PDT by nuconvert
CARRIER - Life aboard the aircraft carrier USS Nimitz
This is a heads up.
Next Sunday, April 27, PBS will begin airing a 10 part series which will run 2 hrs a night thru May 1. (check local listings for time)
I think it will be very interesting, but not without PBS bias. Hopefully, they'll limit the bias to a minimum so that it doesn't ruin the series.
I'm looking forward to it.
You can watch clips at the source link above.
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There were no women on ships when I first joined the Navy. Near the end of my enlistment, I remember seeing a woman on a ship for the first time...a big, burly WAVE hauling a line on the tug that was docking our ship.
It's not like sleeping in the dirt in Iraq and being sniped.
On a carrier, there's plenty of hot food (but not always the tastiest), a dry air conditioned place to sleep (but extremely noisy if you're any place near the flight deck)and the hours are extremely long.
I worked in CDC. At sea we stood 12 hour watches then we had about 4 hours of equipment maintenance. That was 7 days a week. If something was CASREP’d we worked until we fixed it. Sometimes, it took 3 days to fix it. At times, I went a couple of weeks without seeing the sun. I would literally forget to go outside. If I did, “Vulture's Row” was awesome.
The best part was liberty call :)
Nimitz, 79 to 81. No female shipmates then, but beards were legal. Still have mine.
Visited the Eisenhower a few years later. The ships Bosun was female and she probably could have whipped Hulk Hogan.
Lexapro? Is that something like unisex Saltpeter? (The coffee additive we always believed was used back in Korean war days).
Yup. Should be called “Boner-no-more.” When I took it for anxiety, I couldn’t get a stiffy with a forklift.
: ~ )
They need to talk to the guys who sleep in the Bow Catapult Coop, and whose bunks are on the other side of the bulkhead from Catapult #2’s water brake tank...
Now that’s life on a Nimitz class, especially if you work nights...
Are you sure? The series have a couple interviews with Marines.
I served onboard the Independence from 82 to 84. As a RM, berthing was forward and directly underneath cats 1 & 2. When I first got there, I wondered how I could ever sleep. Within a week, you sleep through it fine. 12 on 12 off when underway. Food - though hot - sucked but thats to be expected when you’re cooking for 5,000 plus men. Not a lot of time to prepare it well. I found the smaller the ship in the Navy, the better the food.
MARINE CORPS SECURITY FORCES
Date Signed: 1/16/1998
ALMAR Number: 024/98
R 162344Z JAN 98 ZYB
FM CMC WASHINGTON DC//CMC//
TO ALMAR
UNCLAS //N05500//
ALMAR 024/98
MSGID/GENADMIN/CMC WASHINGTON DC//
SUBJ/MARINE CORPS SECURITY FORCES//
REF/A/SECNAVINST 5530.4B/28NOV94/-//
AMPN/REF A IS NAVAL SECURITY FORCES ASHORE AND AFLOAT//RMKS/1. THIS IS A JOINT NAVY AND MARINE CORPS MESSAGE. NAVY AND MARINE CORPS FORCE PROTECTION REQUIREMENTS IN TODAY'S DYNAMIC AND ASYMMETRIC THREAT ENVIRONMENT REQUIRE SECURITY FORCES OF INCREASED CAPABILITY AND RESPONSIVENESS. TO MEET THIS CHALLENGE, THE NAVY AND MARINE CORPS HAVE CRAFTED AN AGGRESSIVE AND FLEXIBLE PLAN FOR EMPLOYMENT OF MARINE CORPS SECURITY FORCES (MCSF). THIS COMPREHENSIVE AND COORDINATED EFFORT BY THE NAVY AND MARINE CORPS TO OPTIMIZE THE EMPLOYMENT OF MCSF WILL PROVIDE MORE EFFECTIVE AND EFFICIENT FORCE PROTECTION FOR NAVAL FORCES ASHORE AND AFLOAT.
2. THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE DOWNING REPORT AND DISCUSSIONS OF THE DEFENSE SCIENCE BOARD SUMMER STUDY ON TRANSNATIONAL THREATS REINFORCE AND CONFIRM THE NAVY AND MARINE CORPS OBJECTIVE BY EMPHASIZING THAT FORCE PROTECTION FORCES MUST BE A ROBUST, FLEXIBLE, AND ESTABLISHED TEAM. IN ORDER TO EXPAND THE CAPABILITIES OF MCSF RESOURCES AND MEET CURRENT AND PROJECTED FORCE PROTECTION REQUIREMENTS, AN ADDITIONAL FLEET ANTITERRORIST SECURITY TEAM (FAST) COMPANY WILL BE CREATED TO PROVIDE A LARGER, BETTER TRAINED FORCE TO FLEET CINCS FOR USE IN COMBATTING TERRORISM AND MAINTAINING THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF FORCE PROTECTION, WHILE PRESERVING THE CAPABILITY TO PROVIDE TRADITIONAL SECURITY FORCE SUPPORT AS REQUIRED TO AFLOAT UNITS. ADDITIONALLY, IN AN ERA OF INCREASED ANTITERRORISM/FORCE PROTECTION (AT/FP)VULNERABILITY, DEDICATED AND ROTATIONALLY DEPLOYED MCSF DETACHMENTS WILL BE ASSIGNED TO FLEET CINCS AND OMUSNAVCENT IN ORDER TO PROVIDE A ROBUST CAPABILITY TO RESPOND TO A WIDE RANGE OF IN-THEATER CONTINGENCIES.
3. IMPLEMENTATION OF THE FOLLOWING EVENTS WILL TAKE PLACE IAW A TIMELINE TO BE SET FORTH BY OPNAV N3/N5 AND USMC PP&O.
A. EFFECTIVE 31 JAN 98, NON-DEPLOYED MARINE DETACHMENTS WILL BE DISESTABLISHED. DEPLOYED DETACHMENTS WILL BE DISESTABLISHED UPON RETURN TO HOMEPORT.
B. THE STRUCTURE FROM THE DISESTABLISHED MARINE DETACHMENTS WILL BE USED TO CREATE A SECOND FAST COMPANY AT YORKTOWN, VA, AUGMENTING THE CURRENT FAST COMPANY IN NORFOLK. MARINES FROM THE FAST COMPANIES WILL BE ROTATIONALLY DEPLOYED AND OPCON TO CINCUSNAVEUR, CINCPACFLT, AND COMUSNAVCENT FOR ASSIGNMENT AS REQUIRED WITHIN THEIR AOR. THESE COMMANDERS HAVE THE OPTION TO EMPLOY THEIR ASSIGNED FAST PLATOON TO ANY LOCATION, ASHORE OR AT SEA, IN THE NUMBERS THEY REQUIRE.
C. THE REFUEL/DEFUEL MISSION WILL BE ASSUMED BY THE FAST COMPANIES AND SUPPORTED WITH PERIODICALLY DEPLOYED PLATOONS. D. THE CADRE, WHICH PROVIDES UNIQUE COMBAT SKILLS TRAINING, WILL BE REORGANIZED, DOWNSIZED, AND KEYED TO NAVY REGIONALIZATION PLANS. THE CADRE WILL TRAIN BOTH NAVY AND AUXILIARY SECURITY FORCES IN SMALL ARMS, SMALL UNIT TACTICS, SECURITY, AND ANTITERRORISM. DETAILS WILL BE ADDRESSED BY AN N3N5/PP&O WORKING GROUP WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH.
E. THE CURRENT INSTALLATION SECURITY VALIDATION PROCESS WILL BE EVALUATED TO ASSURE THE PROCESS SUPPORTS FAIRLY ASSESSING THE CHARACTER OF SECURITY FORCES REQUIRED TO RESPOND IN THE DYNAMIC OVERSEAS THREAT ENVIRONMENT. THREAT BASED CRITERIA THAT MEET CURRENT AND PROJECTED CINC AT/FP REQUIREMENTS WILL BE USED AND ALL APPROPRIATE ASSETS AND AGENCIES WILL BE CONSIDERED FOR INCLUSION IN A FOCUSED AND UPGRADED VALIDATION PROCESS. MCSF COMPANIES LONDON, ROTA, AND NAPLES WILL BE REEXAMINED USING THE MODERNIZED POST VALIDATION PROCESS.
F. INTERIM MCSF COMPANY BAHRAIN WILL REMAIN AT ITS CURRENT STRENGTH UNTIL THE REPLACEMENT FOR MANNAI PLAZA IS COMPLETE. THE COMPANY WILL THEN BE REEXAMINED USING THE POST VALIDATION PROCESS.
G. MCSF COMPANY KEFLAVIK WILL BE EVALUATED BY THE NAVY AND MARINE CORPS IN COORDINATION WITH REGIONAL COMMANDERS USING THE UPGRADED CRITERIA.
H. MCSF COMPANY NORTH ISLAND AND MARINE BARRACKS JAPAN WILL CLOSE AS SCHEDULED. MCSF DETACHMENT SOUDA BAY WILL BE DISESTABLISHED IAW PREVIOUS PLANS. MCSF BATTALION HEADQUARTERS; MCSF COMPANIES KINGS BAY, BANGOR, AND PATUXENT RIVER; 1ST FAST COMPANY; MARINE BARRACKS GUANTANAMO BAY; AND CAMP DAVID WILL REMAIN UNCHANGED.
4. THESE CHANGES TO HOW THE NAVY AND MARINE CORPS EXECUTE THE FORCE PROTECTION REQUIREMENTS OF REF A WILL ENABLE US TO MORE EFFECTIVELY MEET FUTURE SECURITY CHALLENGES AND MAKE THE MOST EFFICIENT USE OF VALUABLE RESOURCES. ADDITIONALLY, FLTCINCS WILL HAVE GREATER CAPABILITY, FLEXIBILITY AND RESPONSIVENESS IN CARRYING OUT THEIR FORCE PROTECTION RESPONSIBILITIES. THE NAVY AND MARINE CORPS TEAM LOOKS FORWARD TO WORKING TOGETHER AS WE IMPLEMENT THESE IMPORTANT INNOVATIONS, AND STRENGTHEN OUR UNIQUE AND VITAL RELATIONSHIP.//
BT
the first episode was pretty good.
I didnt realize Mel Gibson and his company produced this show.
Yup. I thought so too
Best line of the night: “Nimitz stands for Never Imagined Myself In This Zoo.”
I rolled my eyes a few times when they seemed to want to seek out people who had nothing going on in their lives before they joined the Navy (which is a big class-warfare meme for Democrats). But there were some scenes that I loved, like the 18-year-old black female air-traffic controller from Athens, GA.
Did you watch the first installment?
Just wondering what you thought so far.
I spent many years in the military and I'd have to say that that described the vast majority of the junior enlisted that I served with. If you asked them why they joined it was almost always small town, nothing to do, no real job, get out of parent's house. And I've no doubt that the same response would be gotten from the majority of soldiers and marines you talked to. One thing that the show did make clear on several occasions is that the majority of enlisted come from what would be considered some form of middle-class. The Democrats would have us believe that the military culls it's recruits from the poor. Those oppressed by the evil Republican policies, blah, blah, blah. So far I'm not seeing any agenda. But it's early.
They are. As are just about every other ship in the Navy. And I speak from experience.
Don't be confused by the flightdeck crew wearing old-style Marine cammo trousers, those aren't necessarily Marines. I think that they issue those on carriers for use because they still have a supply on hand. Marines wear a new style camouflage.
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