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To: TBP
Usually, you’ll find a lone Keyes backer being numerically outgunned by a bunch of RINOs.

RINO? Keyes left the GOP. Keyes ran such a horrible race that he made Barack Obama a big star. He ran twice for president and lost badly. He lost his race for senate in Maryland. People aren't buying what Keyes is selling. The idea that the only way to win is to concede defeat at the very outset, by backing a candidate who doesn’t stand for conservative principle in the first place, has itself come to fruition in the presumptive nomination of John McCain as the Republican candidate for 2008. Is this not, in and of itself, enough to convince us at last of the wrong-headedness of this approach?

John McCain has his faults, but when it was time to walk the walk on pork barrel spending, he did. When it was time to confirm Supreme Court justices, he voted for Roberts and Alito. On guns he's not where I'd be, but he did vote against the so called assault weapons ban on multiple occasions. He voted to end frivolous lawsuits against gun manufacturers. Obama and Hillary both oppose Roberts and Alito. In January 09, most Supreme Court justices will be in their 70's. The next president will appoint probably 2, maybe four justices.

we conservatives are being pressured to “save the White House for Republicans” by facilitating the socialist mentality.

Socialists increase government spending. McCain doesn't do that.

Why then can we not see that it is up to the politician to earn the conservative vote, and not up to the conservatives to put into office a politician who has chronically failed them?

That's why we have primaries. I voted for the conservative candidate in the primary. His name is Ron Paul.

The once-great Republican party has, in nominating John McCain, crossed the line from viable to suicidal, and many well-intentioned Americans know it.

Suicidal? Look, the GOP survived Grant, Taft, and even Hoover. It survived Nixon. It survived Bush I and will even survive the current democrat-lite guy that is currently in office.

That is why they are saying they will not vote for him, even at the cost of not voting at all. Yet to allow the RINOs to effectively disenfranchise us is not acceptable, either. So, where do we go from here?

Keyes left the GOP, so what's he doing complaining about RINOs?

We the people have no choice in this election. As soon as Alan Keyes makes it formal and runs on a third party ticket, I will be joining that party with him. True patriots have no choice.

I have a choice. No thanks to Keyes. Someone who got 27% against Obama already isn't going to get my support.

Dr. Keyes has frequently noted that he is running for President because principled conservatives are being offered no way of participating in politics in this country without violating their own beliefs. That's crap. I participate in politics. I paid my dues walking precincts, stuffing envelops, and running for delegate, winning every time I've run. That's not changing anytime soon with McCain running.

As Americans and as believers, we recognize that there are things that lie beyond the reach of our own decisions.

Not really.

Among them are the fact that the lesser of two evils is still evil, and that if John McCain fails to be inaugurated next January, he and the Republican leadership will not need to look beyond the frames of their own mirrors in determining exactly who is to blame.

Hell, McCain's probably an improvement over the current guy, at least with some issues.

8 posted on 04/14/2008 10:39:28 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in - Michael Corleone)
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To: All
Keyes had his chance against Obama.

2004 Senate, Illinois.
Obama - 3,597,456 - 70%
Keyes - 1,390,690 - 27%
Same year, Illinois:

Kerry - 2,891,550 - 55%
Bush - 2,345,946 - 44%

2002 - A sacrificial lamb year for Illinois Senate
Durbin - 2,080,411 60%
Durkin - 1,320,621 38%

Keyes ran 17% behind Bush in one of his weakest states. So many people who voted for Bush voted for Obama against Keyes. He ran 11% behind Durkin in another democrat year in Illinois, 2002. Durkin was a sacrificial lamb and got what should be a bare minimum in Illinois. That's not counting the fact that Keyes has run numerous times for president in the past and went nowhere each time.

I'll go so far to say that I blame two people more than anything else for making Obama into a media star. One is Jack Ryan for screwing up and letting Jeri Ryan get away (dropping out of the race), and the other is Alan Keyes for carpetbagging and running a complete Charlie Foxtrot of a campaign.

Keyes needs to back out of running and go back to the speaker's circuit where he does best. He gave us Senator Obama. I don't need him to give us President Obama.

9 posted on 04/14/2008 10:41:14 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in - Michael Corleone)
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To: Darren McCarty
Hell, McCain's probably an improvement over the current guy, at least with some issues.

Not hardly.

McCain's History:

1. Gang of Fourteen (Kept some of President Bush's best judges from being presented for a vote)
2. McCain-Fiengold (Assault on Free Speech and Pro-Life groups and Gun-rights groups)
3. McCain-Kennedy (Amnesty for criminal Illegal Aliens)
4. McCain-Lieberman (50 cents a gallon tax)
5. Total support for global warming scam, including carbo cap and trade system.
6. Support for embryonic stem cell research (Murder of unborn babies).
7. Leaked top-secret information concerning CIA prisons in Europe
8. Wants to close Gitmo and give Terrorists access to our legal system.
9. F grade from Gun-Owners of America.
10. C- grade from NRA.
11. 60% score from American Conservative Union in 2006
12. Wants to bail out sub-prime losers (many of which are either illegal aliens or lied on thier applications) with US tax money.
13. Voted against President Bush's tax cuts (called them tax-cuts for the rich)
14. Flirted with the idea of crossing over to the Dems in 2004.


All in all, this is not the record of a Republican, but of a back-stabbing RINO selling out every principle he thinks he needs to to gain the White House.
14 posted on 04/14/2008 11:00:03 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: Darren McCarty

“Suicidal? Look, the GOP survived Grant, Taft, and even Hoover. It survived Nixon. It survived Bush I and will even survive the current democrat-lite guy that is currently in office.”

Famous last words.

I doubt that members of the Whig party in 1856 would have predicted the demise of their party. I would agree that the GOP, with the active assistance of the Democrats, have done what they can to restrict third party access to the ballot box. But sooner or later they’re going to have to deal with a conservative third party superceding their hegemony.


33 posted on 04/15/2008 5:13:50 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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