Posted on 04/13/2008 8:57:18 PM PDT by claudiustg
SAN ANGELO — A Texas judge on Sunday ordered law enforcement officials to immediately confiscate all cell phones in the possession of FLDS women and children now housed in temporary quarters here. "I just called to say, hi. They are about to collect the phones, I think," one soft-spoken FLDS woman said during a telephone call to another member of the Fundamentalist LDS Church who was outside of the shelter. "I don't like what they're doing."
Several of the women inside the shelters spoke by cell phone to the Deseret News on Saturday to describe the living conditions there. Children could be heard crying in the background of each conversation. The News published an article on Sunday, quoting the women who complained there was no privacy and that their children were getting sick.
FLDS faithful outside the shelter are convinced Sunday's court order is a direct result of the women speaking to the newspaper.
"This is nothing more than retaliation of Child Protective Services to punish those who were disclosing what is really happening behind the walls of this concentration camp," said Don, an FLDS member who asked that his last name not be used. "These are my family members."
(Excerpt) Read more at deseretnews.com ...
unfortunatly “badge fever” does not always allow for rational police work because that takes actual work and effort.
Instead “badge fever” screws up cases and allows the guilty to go free.
What do you do about the intentional blurring of ages (by never celebrating birthdays with these kids)-— by taking away kids from birth mothers and moving them around....
As awful as it is, I mean, that is frickin’ BRILLIANT if I was a pedophile— No one is sure about their age....”All these girls are of age— Oh her, she looks 12 but she's really 17.”
The only thing they were sure of was when they became breed-able.
So, how do you determine who is underage? (and yes, the devil is a genius)
nope just me.
perhaps just another old timer.
there are ways such as x-rays of the wrist bones to see a balpark.
Texas has a high age of consent law with a rebuttable presumption for 14-17.
Yes these folks have pointed out a need to fix texas law.
bttt
Um...., looking at the pregnant bellies of clearly underage girls isn't enough?
The technical name is Bone Age. It involves more x-rays than just the wrist and can be used medically in cases of delayed or precocious puberty when compared to the known age. It is often not a true measure of chronological age. I’m skeptical it would work in this instance. If the woman-child says she’s 17 but her bone age is 14, defense could argue delayed development.
But you have to get the kids to an X-ray machine in the first place. And yea, it’s not by mistake that they’re in Texas.
The more I learn about Jeffs, the more I’m just awed at how well planned all this was. Remove calendars, celebrations that mark time, separate those who can remember when you were born, isolate, instill fear of ‘the government’ and the outside.
And use God to scare the bejeebers out of them (and yes, it works, well).
Yep, the could easily argue delayed development via pour nutrition etc. Again, it’s amazing how easy it is to blur lines....
The problem the FLDS men, back on the YFZ compound have is that they have generationally brainwashed their women and that the women now cannot discern how to protect their lifestyle...the women, IMO can’t reason that admitting they are wife number six, and I had my first baby when I was 14 are ‘bad’ answers...that is why the communications with the men is critical. They have to be told what to say. Add in eternal damnation and you have further mental abuse of these women via 21st century technology.
thanks for the information.
It would be an argument for probable cause to go further.
folks, the family law of texas can be found for free at http://www.findlaw.com
go in the “for professionals” section and look for texas under state codes and statutes.
BTW, where do I go to see the governments approved list of religions as I don't want to offend my neighbors or government or break its laws on which religion I'm permitted to practice and worship these days.
OK, are all the births ‘home’ births or do they use a hospital and get birth certificates? Does anyone know?
(My guess is no, but just asking).
There are issues with regard to the age of consent and the minimum age at which marriage is allowed. There are issues of alleged brainwashing and coercion involved as well. The role of government, however, is not to say that so-and-so is brainwashed and must be protected, but to prosecute individuals charged with crimes. The mobility of the women and children is a problem, and a reason why it has been difficult for the authorities in Utah and the surrounding states to suppress polygamy. However, it is better to restrain the government in such matters rather than expand its authority.
Thomas More, the English jurist and Catholic martyr, warned an eager young man who would chop down all the trees in England if necessary to eliminate hiding places for outlaws that once the forests were gone, there would be no place for him to hide.
The ring leaders know. There is documentation somewhere.
OK, I really am hoping there is more to this, or they have some evidence that will lead to a solid case.
So what's your solution to this problem? How would you handle it? What are you doing to protect little girls from being raped?
Perhaps you didn't see this:
Rangers talk with polygamist ranch suspect ^
"The Texas Rangers met with him. He was allowed to go, and no arrest was made," said Friend Walker, director of the Mojave County, Arizona, probation office. Barlow's attorney, Bruce Griffen, said the meeting was voluntary. He said he and Barlow are working to gather...
It would appear that the person the original complaint by the teenager they can't seem to locate did not even live there.
My solution to the problem is to gather appropriate evidence and then charge the appropriate people with the appropriate crime.
Following proper police procedures to make sure the evidence is now quashed due to defective warrants would be a bit more intelligent than storming in before you're ready doesn't it?
Forrcing the authorities to follow correct procedure is not "tying their hands", it just making them do their jobs. Is that too much to ask?
Apparently it is to many here.
I jealously guard my rights because they are as important to me as they were to the fine folks who founded this nation.
Ah!
Family Bibles (we were talking last night about how my great grandmother’s family bible has all the births for like gee, 100 years in it and my crazy cousin Edna has it and we aren’t sure where she put it....)
OK, so that’s where it might be recorded.
Fair enough,
And I believe there are those (children) who are having their constitutional rights violated from birth.
So we’re in the middle, trying to protect one and guard the other.
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