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Windows is 'collapsing,' Gartner analysts warn
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| April 10, 2008
| Gregg Keizer
Posted on 04/11/2008 6:50:11 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: longtermmemmory
...buying new 3rd party EVERYTHING just because the OS upgraded... Uh oh, you're trying to get me started! We have entered the "Pet Peeve Department" together.
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posted on
04/11/2008 7:48:13 AM PDT
by
GingisK
To: Slapshot68
To all
I have found that if you double the recommended RAM to run Vista most of the problems go away.
Since I applied the “rule-of-thumb” I have had no problems with Vista. I have even found some work around for the some of the application incompatibility issues. It seems the key is do all your installations as “System Administrator”. Other colleagues who have done this have gotten some very old applications to run on Vista. (Applications that wouldn't run in XP!) I am not claiming these “findings” are definitive in an engineering sense. It was some “discoveries” that myself and some friends made by just fooling around with Vista. However let me say that RAM is the key ! Pay not attention to what the recommended RAM level is ! Double it, if you order a laptop don't accept the amount of RAM as loaded, add more !
Note this does not make me a Vista fan, its just makes it more tolerable if I have to use it.
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posted on
04/11/2008 7:48:54 AM PDT
by
Reily
To: E. Pluribus Unum
"Backward compatibility is a losing proposition for Microsoft; while it keeps people locked into Windows, it also often keeps them from upgrading," said the analysts. "[But] using built-in virtualization, compatibility modules could be layered atop Win32, or not, as needed." Silver and MacDonald also called on Microsoft to make it easier to move to newer versions of Windows, re-think how it licenses Windows and come up with a truly modular operating system that can grow or shrink as needed.
The two statements above are contradictory, in addition, if they think making peoples present applications useless will sell more OS they are just plain stupid. The reason people are not moving to Vista in large numbers is because on older systems you can't run older apps with Vista, you can't even upgrade to Vista without upgrading your equipment in many cases. So their idea is to take what is making Vista bomb out and to increase the problems. Smart thinking.
The problem with any OS is that once people all have it and once it is stable(such as XP with SP2)then sales drop off and are limited to people who don't already have the system. However, as has been proven, people get tired of spending money upgrading every few years and resist changing to a system that really doesn't improve their operations and, in addition, requires them to buy new hardware and new apps. Common sense dictates that companies are going to go the way that gives them more profit, buying new equipment and new apps every few years doesn't do that.
63
posted on
04/11/2008 7:49:27 AM PDT
by
calex59
To: E. Pluribus Unum
64
posted on
04/11/2008 7:50:50 AM PDT
by
Fawn
(http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbninquiry.asp?r=1&ean=9781604743708)
To: chilepepper
ah, Windows. The OS for stupid people...
It that is in fact the case, then Microsoft did its job very well.
If Microsoft has indeed made computers so simple to use that even stupid people can use them with not too many problems, then that's the kind of software that wins the wider audiences and in fact, MS does have the much wider audiences for its products.
If software and computers are simple to use and you don't have to dedicate time to debugging or working around problems, then that frees you up to be more productive in other areas.
Thus far, nobody else has come up with a better or more widely accepted product than what MS has done with Windows (whatever the version). Linux has been promised for perhaps 15 years, but it has always failed for one reason or another.
I am in the software and applications design/development business and I would still prefer to use the simpler to use OS than the one that requires tweaking or workarounds for something or other.
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posted on
04/11/2008 7:51:31 AM PDT
by
adorno
And to everyone griping about Vista, I’ve been running it since it came out, and I haven’t had a single issue.
Then again, I don’t screw around with installing things that won’t work on it.
When you’re trying to install XP drivers on Vista it’s going to crash most of the time, but that’s not MS’s fault, that’s yours for trying.
Yes Vista requires more memory, but the cost is so low now that you really don’t have an excuse.
None the less, no one is holding a gun to your head to use Vista or Windows in general, buy a Mac or install Linux.
Welcome to the free market, Microsoft isn’t a monopoly no matter what congress says, they make the most widely used product, but they’re not a monopoly, you have options.
66
posted on
04/11/2008 7:51:31 AM PDT
by
gjones77
To: E. Pluribus Unum
Gartner fails to point out that partly the reason Windows has gotten so portly is the media themselves harped on MS for years back in the early 90s to add more and more stuff to the operating system. They hated the fact that Windows didn't come with the latest and greatest tools.
Besides, you can get 8GB of ram now for around $130. And still people bitch.
67
posted on
04/11/2008 7:52:09 AM PDT
by
VeniVidiVici
(Democrats - The Original Slave Owners)
To: alice_in_bubbaland
Agreed!!! I just received my new Dell laptop on Wednesday. Vista STINKS!!!! I'm already thinking about going back to Windows XP. It's slow on our home network, my Excell spreadsheet program won't work on it. Now I have to get Office 2007 and it's way toooo pricey! I'm ticked!!
be careful and make sure you have a driver as most new laptops are coming with SATA drives. In the bios, tick the SATA native mode to off and hope you can find a sata controller driver for XP. I have run into several laptops toshiba brand being one of them that hardware does not support XP as they refuse to provide an XP sata controller driver driver hence no upgrade possible...
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posted on
04/11/2008 7:52:45 AM PDT
by
dubie
To: Fawn
Yes, that’s why I sitting at my PC typing this instead of using my brand new (3 days old)laptop!
Microsoft sucks.........:0)
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posted on
04/11/2008 7:53:07 AM PDT
by
alice_in_bubbaland
(Vote Obama! And we'll be picking shrapnel out of our butts for decades!)
To: Boston Tea Party
I’ve seen that, too. We have a company laptop that came with Vista, and it would take 5-10 minutes to wake up, even after a reinstall.
It also would blue screen when running VMware.
The same Latitude D630 was very responsive, usable and stable with Debian Linux installed.
70
posted on
04/11/2008 7:53:59 AM PDT
by
B Knotts
(Calvin Coolidge Republican)
To: untrained skeptic
However, unless there are radical changes in hardware, I have a hard time understanding what radical changes Microsoft is going to make that are going to add lots of value for consumers.
With a mature XP and compatible applications, this is true. However, speaking from the IT end of things, having done lots of w2k->XP upgrades, and now some XP->Vista upgrades, I've seen the cause of many of Microsoft's problems...their security model.
When things don't work on one of their new OSes, it's usually due to the introduction of yet another layer of security. The software would execute perfectly, if the OS would allow it. But some bit somewhere says something isn't permitted, and things get hosed up. Similarly, when an update fails, many times it's due (again) to some permission problem. I see it over and over and over again.
If Microsoft wants to really fix something, they can COMPLETELY rethink their security model. Honestly, why does every single value in a 10 million item registry need its own individual security settings?
Just my 2 cents...
71
posted on
04/11/2008 7:54:28 AM PDT
by
BikerJoe
To: pepsionice
Windows98 worked great. The only reason I ever end up with a newer version of windows is because my old computer broke so I threw it away and got a new one.
To: dubie
Thanks for the heads up!
I have another question: See my post #60.
It’s so darn slow.................
73
posted on
04/11/2008 7:55:44 AM PDT
by
alice_in_bubbaland
(Vote Obama! And we'll be picking shrapnel out of our butts for decades!)
To: AppyPappy
Do you know if I can save the outlook emails to a file? I need to do that with Hotmail too...
74
posted on
04/11/2008 7:56:07 AM PDT
by
Fawn
(http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbninquiry.asp?r=1&ean=9781604743708)
To: alice_in_bubbaland
“Since we have three XP laptops & one PC, could I use one of those OS disks?”
If the copy of XP has been registered already, you might run into a problem. I’m not exactly sure how to get around that...maybe someone else on here has an idea.
To: AppyPappy; pepsionice
But that 1% makes all the difference, especially to a programmer creating an application needed by a client. Speaking as a software programmer, I can tell you that it's REALLY important to take care of the needs of the ONE user in Uzbekistan - who just happens to be a corporate VP - who needs that 1% tweak to write the latest company grant.
Of course, he or she'll be down the road in 6 months, but who cares?
Your software is more bloated, and you have a great new subroutine that no one will ever use again, but must be maintained and tripped over for the next 5 years.
This is where bloatware comes from...
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posted on
04/11/2008 7:56:56 AM PDT
by
an amused spectator
(Spitzer would have used the Mann Act against an enemy in a New York minute.)
To: AppyPappy
I like Outlook because of its integration with other Office applications. I like the integration for moving contact information over to labels, letters and such. Beyond being able to keep my schedule and tasks organized, this is a big thing for me. How well does Thunderbird integrate with Office?
77
posted on
04/11/2008 7:57:15 AM PDT
by
bcsco
(To heck with a third party. We need a second one....)
To: ThomasThomas
I supported OS/2 warp until 2006 on a network because it worked for the need.Ver. 3 or Merlin?
78
posted on
04/11/2008 7:57:29 AM PDT
by
Just another Joe
(Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
To: AppyPappy
That’s true, but then you have to look at the processor in a budget laptop. Vista may be too much for it.
To: alice_in_bubbaland
Are you sure? Do you have permisson? Do you REALLY want to start that program? Please click ACCEPT and Continue. Ooops. NOT ALLOWED. Did you REALLY ask the Administrator? Better make sure and ask your admin again and press Enter. Oops, can't do that, need approval from the POPE.
I want to scream. AND IT'S Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
80
posted on
04/11/2008 7:59:28 AM PDT
by
Fawn
(http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbninquiry.asp?r=1&ean=9781604743708)
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