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Posted on 04/08/2008 5:33:15 PM PDT by LSUfan
Hey !.......I still have that letter from the DOD authorizing me too use hollow point ammo in anti terrorist low intensity conflicts aka LIC Missions !!
Of course I keep it in a hermetically sealed , stainless steel box buried under the arc of the covenant for safety just in case they want a copy !
Indeed....I collect trench art from WWI. Some very very intricate work on old artillery brass........:o)
Great stuff.....
As well......the ingenuity of the GI’s in the field are indeed amazing. We built entire condo’s underground using conex’s and newer larger sea containers , cutting HVAC ports and windows with flex linear shape charges because we couldn’t find a cutting torch. In some open desert bases we built, underground was the coolest spot and invisible in a region where one could see the curvature of the earth on a clear day......
Whatever you say skippy.
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In Desert Storm, the M829A1 “Silver Bullet” was known to penetrate a five foot thick sand berm, through the frontal armor of a T-72, through the engine block, and exit out the rear of the tank.
But that is a wee bit bigger than the 5.56mm M855 NATO ball round.
And another thing, care to explain why the Army gave a $9,205,500 fixed-price, indefinite-delivery and indefinite-quantity, supply contract to Black Hills Ammunition for 5.56mm Reduced Ricochet Limited Penetration ammunition?
Gee I wonder why the Army is wanting a round with LIMITED PENETRATION?
“Bushmaster makes carbon fiber receivers for AR rifles. I wonder why the military doesn’t adopt those? At least the lower receiver. A carbon upper might be less durable.”
Because the lower receiver takes more abuse since the stock and hand grip is attached to it and thats where the magazine well is located.
“Especially if you step to either side of the ramp of a CH-47 $hithook”
And that’s providing you’re not knocked on your butt by the down wash either. :D
Carbon fiber upper receivers are different. No forward assist. No flap on the ejection port. It probably doesn’t meet military requirements.
Unless your buffer spring is weak, you really don’t need the forward assist.
Besides it’s a throwback to when the M-16 had the “teething problems” after it was first introduced.
I don’t think I’ll argue with you on that. But it doesn’t matter. If the military says it must have a forward assist and a flapper on the ejection port, then that’s the end of your argument. Military wins, you lose.
Also, something else I didn’t mention is abraision between bolt and upper receiver. I don’t know how well carbon fiber stands up to abrasion. Also heat. THere is going to be substantial heat buildup in the upper receiver as long as the AR gas system is retained. I don’t know how well carbon fiber stands up to heat.
The lower carbon fiber receiver could very easily be modified with steel reinforcing inserts or ferrules molded into the polymer at the stress points, bearing points, and high friction areas if necessary. If heat and abrasion are a problem in the upper receiver, metalic inserts would be less effective/more difficult to apply effectively.
Besides it’s a throwback to when the M-16 had the “teething problems” after it was first introduced.
Partly true. The other parts are that as the use of the XM177/ *Car15* with it's 10 or 11.5-inch barrel became more common, it was found that a number of *fixes* were needed to keep the weapon, including the use of the CAR15 suppressor/moderator to increase gas pressure, different sized gas ports, etc. And things got progressively worse as some unit armorers began removing the CAR15 *moderator* and began other tinkering to try to get the things to work reliably. When the shorter gas tube became more quickly fouled, things progressed from full to semi to straight-pull bolt action in short order. Neither did it help that the cardboard sleeves of the M193 ball ammo would draw and hold moisture from the air and corrode in as little as two days time, making a *helper* during so-so feeding a useful device for those units whose weapons were in the field rather than in unit arms room racks.
The first M16 I got in-country was a USAF early M16 with a white parade sling and the stock/grip/foreend painted blue for the Ton Sohn Nhut USAF base honor guard. Only three magazines [20s] were available for it, nicely solving the problem I had about a lack of web gear- my shirt pockets got one mag each, the selector was rolled over to SEMI, and I was ready for business...with a rifle I'd never function-tested or sighted in. But it was night, and the other people had their own problems, and I figured that if things went beyond 60 rounds, there'd either be a couple of their rifles lying around unused, or I wouldn't be worrying about the things of this world any more.
I felt a lot better when I found out that the two USAF guys with me had M1 carbines, also with three mags each. I figured I could always shoot them with my last couple of rounds, and then I'd have at least one working carbine and 6 mags.... I was a lot happier when we got an M60 MG and 6000 rounds for it. Which I learned the USAF mechanics had no idea how to operate/load....
And that’s providing you’re not knocked on your butt by the down wash either. :D
The worst part, particularly if you're wearing a sniper's ghillie suit [and why mine are now made out of a fireproof-resistant NOMEX USAF flight suit] is rolling around trying to put it out, getting up and finding all your good pals doubled over splitting their guts laughing at you. And the First Shirt coming over, having unloaded his video cam from his ruck and informing you that he didn't get it, and would you mind doing it again....
It happened to, uh, a guy I know. I was there....
And would of course be constructed by off-duty SEABEES, whom we can pay off in beer we swiped from the Australians.
During the Desert Storm tank shootin' match, there was one British Chieftan I tank gunner who managed a hit with a Chieftain's 120mm main gun with a SABOT round that hit one Iraqi T-72 nose-on, went all the way through the front slope armor, turret basket area [tho T721 doesn't have a basket per se] then on through the engine pack and out the rear armor...to hit a T-55 parked sideways behind the T72, which the round continued through, in one side and out the other. The Brits got their money's worth from that round.
Most of the American and French tankers who'd seen the results from their 105mm main guns were quite happy with them, but those who'd seen what the 120 could do were really impressed, with many wishing we had something along the same lines. And now we have!
But that is a wee bit bigger than the 5.56mm M855 NATO ball round.
And a bit heavier. It takes a pretty good-sized feller to horse around the 100/105/120mm main gun rounds of a tank, and a lot of armor units spend descretionary unit funds on dayroom weightlifting equipment, which pays off when it's Table 8- tank gunnery for score time.
Actually, the 120mm armed M1A1 was used in Desert Storm.
Here is the list of units that had them:
2nd Armored Cavalry Regiment (1/2, 2/2, 3/2)
3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment (1/3, 2/3, 3/3)
1st Armored Division (1/35AR, 1/37AR, 2/70AR, 4/70AR, 4/66AR{3rd Inf Div})
3rd Armored Division (4/7CAV, 4/32AR, 3/8AR, 4/8CAV, 2/67AR, 4/67AR)
1st Cavalry Division (3/32AR, 2/8CAV, 1/32AR, 1/5CAV, 1/8CAV)
1st Infantry Division (1/34AR, 2/34AR, 3/37AR, 4/37AR, 2/66AR{2nd Armor Div}, 4/66AR{2nd Armor Div})
24th Infantry Division (4/64AR, 1/64AR, 3/69AR,
2/69AR{197th Inf Bde})
1st “Tiger” Brigade 2nd Armored Div. (1/67AR, 3/67AR)
2nd Tank Battalion U.S.M.C.
4th Tank Battalion U.S.M.C.
The Marines had a total of 76 M1A1 tanks during Desert Storm. The Marines also had 210 M60A1 RISE/PASSIVE tanks deployed.
Overall there were 1,848 M1A1 and M1A1(HA) tanks deployed.
The British had the Challenger I tank in Desert Storm BTW.
No particular reason you should, so long as you don't expect it to do ALL things well. But should anyone ever ask you what you see in it, you can refer them here.
It'll take about ten minutes of your time, but IMHO, it's well worth it.
Wow they edited out the rubber band and everything......:o)
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