Posted on 04/06/2008 5:27:22 AM PDT by SkyPilot
asked answered
;-)
Not to be unkind but I wish all of Elise post would go to you if they think we are the same!:)
Gotta get to bed. Cannot believe I have been up this long.
Hope you get over that thing with enjoying seeing your adversaries suffer, resty. Not very becoming of a “saint”.
You said enough to me about your nature with that already. You are not someone I care to continue discourse with, so I will let someone else play with you now.
What about the billions of people who have lived on this earth and never even heard of Christ? What happens to them? This is what the doctrine and ordinance is for, baptism by proxy for them. You may not agree with it, but it’s one of the main reason we build temples, to do that work for them, to fulfill the commandment that all men must be baptized in the name of Christ to return to the Father.
Wither they except the ordinance on the other side is up to them. That’s the basics of the reason we do it.
Now, back to the thread subject. It’s not the reasons the FLDS build temples. Apparently, their reason is to put consummation beds in them. sigh...
They come to me anyway, but what’s the worry? Spam is the same, yesterday, today and forever. ;-)
Some how the mods don’t see it that way! LOL
Oh please suffer really to find out they are embrassed for being a pain!
You do pick and choose what you will take to extreme!
If you believe it is a necessary concern, then have at it. As I said, I believe that God is aware of, and takes into account, the fact that certain people have not heard of Christ and my belief in a just God means he will look after then in whatever manner is right. As I said before, I believe God judges us based on ourselves, not on what other men do.
Thank you for merely pointing out another thing you believe in that I do not.
Those who are in a state of sin will suffer far worse than embrassment at that time... and what you are going to be concerned about is that they are embarassed? Sad and pathetic.
You are taking my reply which was met to be sobering than actual.
If you really care about their state of sin you would have warn them for their vicious remarks they had made about another person they really don’t know, but are reacting too!
See you know the differents yet you would perfer to let what they say slide and take up with whom they are shooting at, how does that make you any different?
The Lord works from the inside out.
The world works from the outside in.
The world would take people out of the slums.
Christ takes the slums out of people,
and then they take themselves out of the slums.
The world would mold men by changing their environment.
Christ changes men, who then change their environment.
The world would shape human behavior,
but Christ can change human nature.
So did I..good post.
Paul wrote to the Roman church, because they thought they had license... and he explained that faith saves, not works...
Romans 4: 1What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, discovered in this matter? 2If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast aboutbut not before God. 3What does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”[a]
4Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation. 5However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness. 6David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
7”Blessed are they
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.
8Blessed is the man
whose sin the Lord will never count against him.”[b]
9Is this blessedness only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? We have been saying that Abraham’s faith was credited to him as righteousness. 10Under what circumstances was it credited? Was it after he was circumcised, or before? It was not after, but before! 11And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. So then, he is the father of all who believe but have not been circumcised, in order that righteousness might be credited to them. 12And he is also the father of the circumcised who not only are circumcised but who also walk in the footsteps of the faith that our father Abraham had before he was circumcised.
13It was not through law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. 14For if those who live by law are heirs, faith has no value and the promise is worthless, 15because law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.
16Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham’s offspringnot only to those who are of the law but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us all. 17As it is written: “I have made you a father of many nations.”[c] He is our father in the sight of God, in whom he believedthe God who gives life to the dead and calls things that are not as though they were.
18Against all hope, Abraham in hope believed and so became the father of many nations, just as it had been said to him, “So shall your offspring be.”[d] 19Without weakening in his faith, he faced the fact that his body was as good as deadsince he was about a hundred years oldand that Sarah’s womb was also dead. 20Yet he did not waver through unbelief regarding the promise of God, but was strengthened in his faith and gave glory to God, 21being fully persuaded that God had power to do what he had promised. 22This is why “it was credited to him as righteousness.” 23The words “it was credited to him” were written not for him alone, 24but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousnessfor us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead. 25He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification.
Romans 7
An Illustration From Marriage
1Do you not know, brothersfor I am speaking to men who know the lawthat the law has authority over a man only as long as he lives? 2For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law of marriage. 3So then, if she marries another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress, even though she marries another man.
4So, my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit to God. 5For when we were controlled by the sinful nature,[a] the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies, so that we bore fruit for death. 6But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.
Struggling With Sin
7What shall we say, then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! Indeed I would not have known what sin was except through the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “Do not covet.”[b] 8But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of covetous desire. For apart from law, sin is dead. 9Once I was alive apart from law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death.
11For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. 12So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good. 13Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through what was good, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.
14We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[c] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to dothis I keep on doing. 20Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
21So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. 24What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? 25Thanks be to Godthrough Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.
Speaking of IDEAS....
Do you have ANY idea what was UNTRUE about PRESBYTERIANISM?
Finding out what was UNTRUE about PRESBYTERIANISM is also not vindictive; but informative!
WHY will you let those people TRAPPED in an UNTRUE religion continue???
Have you no love for their SOULS?
Or hanging out online all day trying so very hard to justify what the LDS Founder and leaders have done and preached...
This will happen when facts are trying to root out falsehood.
I can't find it in ANY of the OTHER LDS Organizational scripture either.
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