Posted on 04/06/2008 5:27:22 AM PDT by SkyPilot
If you haven't noticed, I don't. And I don't read your posts.
I do noticed the bolded "I said," "U said," and I laugh.
bye bye
That is a complete distortion of the episode. Clearly God did not approve of the relationship between Abram and Hagar. While Abram did not necessarily sin by simply entering into a polygamous relationship with another woman, he did sin by failing to believe God. God had promised that Abram would be the father of a nation through Sarai, and neither Sarai nor Abram had faith in God at that point. Instead of believing God that Abram would father a nation through her, she took it upon herself to give Hagar to Abram. It was an act of FAITHLESSNESS and hence it was a SIN!
The act of faith for which Abraham was counted righteous was in believing that God would raise a great nation through Issac, even if Issac were sacrificed to God. It was at that point that Abram believed God and it was counted unto him as righteousness.
If you think that God approved of the incident with Hagar, then you don't understand the passage.
The Bible NEVER condones polygamy. The Bible simply reports that it was a practice. Jesus actually made it a sin, wherein he proclaimed that if any man were to look upon a woman (other than his wife) with lust, that he would be committing adultery in his heart. Now explain to me how a married man could find himself getting married to another woman (other than his first wife) and not "lust in his heart"? It is that lust which triggers a man wanting to be with another woman which is the foundation of polygamy.
The New Testament makes it clear that polygamy is not to be tolerated in the Church and no man who was married to more than one woman was allowed to hold any official office in the church. In Utah, every one of the leaders of the LDS Church in the 1800's was, by virtue of their status as polygamists, scripturally prohibited from holding the offices that they claimed.
Delphi it is good to see you defending polygamy on these threads. It exposes Mormonism for the fraud and the evil that underpins the whole theology of the LDS Church. You believe in Polygamy. You;re heart's desire is to have 78 or more virgins to be given to you to service you forever in eternity. You desire to be God.
That is the ultimate goal of every LDS man. It is why you pay tithes. It is why you go on your Mission. It is why you do your "Duty" to the church. It is so that you can someday be a polygamist God (Like YOUR Heavenly Father) over a world where people will refer to YOU as THEIR HEAVENLY FATHER.
It is, in a word........ SICK!
Any more we can eliminate?
I WAS gonna say, "Well check with Salt Lake on that"...BUT then, I remembered....no wine, no coffee, no tea, no cigars, no choice in underwear.....Geez, you just can't win, can you?
How about in the NT when the lady with several husbands came to Jesus to be healed. He asked her who her husband was and she replied, “no one”. He said that was so and for her to go and sin no more. My brain is not working at its best since I am in so much pain but someone out there will know what I am talking about. Polygamy is not condoned anywhere in the Bible.
Really? I didn't know that...of course some people KNOW a whole lot of things that just ain't so, don't they?
I think you've got your stories mixed up. You are undoubtedly referring to the woman at the well. She did not come to Jesus. Jesus actually went to the well to meet her. :-)
We can also eliminate the prohibition on idolatry (such as the belief in supernatural properties being inbodied in certain unmentionable physical objects) as well as theft (as in fraudulent application for and use of food stamps). It seems that since they believe men can become Gods that it would also preclude the commandment prohibiting false gods.
So looks to me like we are down to just 5.
We can also eliminate the prohibition on idolatry (such as the belief in supernatural properties being inbodied in certain unmentionable physical objects) as well as theft (as in fraudulent application for and use of food stamps). It seems that since they believe men can become Gods that it would also preclude the commandment prohibiting false gods.
So looks to me like we are down to just 5.
Sorry about the double posts, people... it gave me some sort of proxy error (which is wierd since I do not use a proxy that I know of).
That is the ultimate goal of every LDS man. It is why you pay tithes. It is why you go on your Mission. It is why you do your "Duty" to the church. It is so that you can someday be a polygamist God (Like YOUR Heavenly Father) over a world where people will refer to YOU as THEIR HEAVENLY FATHER.
It is, in a word........ SICK!
When you say things like that, you do yourself and your church no favors.
You are right. Like I said my brain is not working lately. I had to go to the ER last Thursday night due to the pain in my right arm and hand. He told me I need to have carpal tunnel surgery on my right hand that I just had it there less than a year ago. Oh, joy of all joys!
He is simply being honest about the doctrines of demons that are taught by the LDS Church.
This is where the rubber meets the road. Polygamy is the heart and soul of the Mormon "gospel". They believe that they can't become a God if they don't practice Polygamy. Therefore it MUST be Moral, even if it is, in no uncertain terms, condemned by none other than the Book of Mormon!
The Book of Mormon is nothing more to the LDS Church than the means upon which they can create a false testimony to the idea that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. Once they believe that, then the convert is ripe to believe all this "polygamy is good" nonsense. Well as we can see from this Cult in Texas, polygamy is inherently evil. It is a disease, a destructive cancer.
I think you need to change doctors.
Seriously.
I mean SERIOUSLY!
As long as they believe garbage like that, all their attempts to be accepted as a “mainstream” church will fail.
Which is a good thing. Believing that polygamy is moral and good is straight out of the pits of hell.
And that is the crux of this whole thread.
The LDS want to argue the fLDS are not them - but then they spend hundreds of posts defending the vile practice of polygamy and child "wives."
Why?
Because Joseph Smith practiced it. If he was immoral and wrong, Mormonism is immoral and wrong.
Then, the whole lie of the LDS cult unravels.
There is a "ick" factor there that should turn everyone who is truly searching for the truth away from the LDS Church. However, it is the kind of doctrine which would appeal to those whose desire is not to bow down and worship the Only True and Living God forever but to those whose heart's desire is to become God and have countless people bow down to them and forever call them "Heavenly Father".
I hope this thread opens the eyes of those who are ignorantly being proseletyzed by the LDS Church. If there ever was a doctrine of demons it is expressed in black and white in Doctrine and Covenants section 132. It is a genuinely creepy revelation.
Well, if we eliminate the whole "Thou shalt not covet" we can take an ax to them some more.
I figure we can also do away with murder, too.
David murdered Uriah, Bethsheba’s husband so he could claim her as his own, and God still blessed him by allowing him to remain king and calling him a man after God’s own heart.
Strike off another one.
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