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Posted on 03/21/2008 7:43:32 AM PDT by Red Badger
Think you meant C2H5OH, there. But you got a point. Whenever you mix driving with ethanol, there's trouble ahead.
There are geneticly altered corn in development that will reduce the energy needed to break it down to ethanol. “
What impact will this genetically altered corn have on feed corn for animals or the corn that is used for your corn flakes and mine?
It is clear that the genetically altered items in the fields cannot be contained on those fields only, and that they can contaminate fields quite a distance away with the force of wind, etc.
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Let’s see now. Gas prices and oil prices are too high (at $2.00 a gallon and $60 a barrel.
Solution? Ah, mandate ethanol in gasoline and subsidize it to get the process started.
Result: It works and gas prices drop to $1.50 and oil prices to $45 a barrel. Congress pats self on back for running an effective centrally-managed economy. What a bunch of geniuses.
Only problem: Didn’t happen. Gas went to $3.00 and oil to $100.
Liberal (and unfortunately also the current Republican) solution: Mandate even more ethanol use. That should fix it. After all, Congress is filled with economic geniuses any number of whom could run a centrally-planned economy as well as the Russians did, so this has got to work.
Let’s see, what to fix next? Global warming, the health care mess, massive foreclosures? No problem, we’re geniuses at this central planning stuff, remember?
It would be fun to have a march on Washington by soccer moms sick of paying more and more for both gas for their vans and food for their budding sports stars, all asking the same questions: Do you idiots really think what you’re doing is working? Been to a grocery store or a gas station lately?
Or better yet, just vote the entire crop out of office and take a chance on the next bunch. How could they possibly be worse, seriously?
This is just like what killed George Washington. “Bleeding the Patient” was a common, if ill conceived, method of treating patients in the colonial era. Draining off the “excess” blood was to rid the body of the ailment. If the patient got worse and it still didn’t work, drain off more blood! Washington’s doctors essentially bled him to death.........The liberals and the RINOs are bleeding us to death with their stupid “cures”..............
C2H4OH
Oh sh*t. I knew it immediately that I was drinking something I shouldn’t have.
I'm not sure if we could grow sugar cane in the US, but we sure as heck better make sure we still have plenty of corn to eat.
“Based on reports of well IP’s in the Baaken horizontal oil play in ND, the first 30 wells to go onstream will probably produce more oil than all ethanol plants produce today. Initial Potential reports have varied from 1,700 BOD to 2,500 BOD, for Baaken wells. Griefers need to do the math and wake TFU.The Baaken oil play ALONE, should help to eliminate the idiotic idea that we can grow fuel. All Baaken oil is a NET ENERGY GAIN, not a heavily subsidized net energy LOSS.”
Hey quit your pussyfooting around and say what you really mean! :)
I agree but don’t forget methanol. I think its an even better alternative.
The Methanol Alternative
The New Atlantis ^ | Summer 2006 | Robert Zubrin
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1964452/posts
thanks, bfl
A couple thousand barrels a day for 30 wells is
60,000 barrels/day from Baaken, and it all helps,
but we use 23 million barrels a day now. And it is
subsidized much more than anything in our country, through
the tax breaks and stuff that tax code gives big oil.
Many time mor than what is given for ethanol.
And there is no price support for corn.....The 4-5
billion gals of ethanol made every year is about
350,000 barrels a day, and we need it. The high price
of farm commodities is due to too much speculating money
driving up prices. Corn, wheat is going down as
investors and hedge funds have got the word that the
Fed Res may axe a few more if they don’t get their cash resrves in order instead of floundering like BearSterns.
And the Fed made strong suggestions that the reserves need to come back to the investors by unleveraging commodity
investments, idea being investors and Fed might get some
good will. Same speculators are respnsible for runup in
oil.We must quit blaming corn. Corn acreage went up
15% mostly from cotton(now 92M AC)... cotton still has a
world wide surplus. We were being sued in the WTO by nations for dumping cheap cotton and corn on other nations
for years, hurting their farmers.I use ethanol gas as much as possible and in our older engines, the 10% mix
makes them run better and burn cleaner and bit more
mileage. There is no shortage of food stuffs just middlmen using crap articles like this to gouge and speculators
driving up the prices. They speculate not only on
the basic production, but on all the stuff made from
the products. If Congress would set the rules for
commodities trading to require more of the investors
money in every trade instead of the ridiculously low
amount they have set up now , corn,wheat, oil, etc
would drop like a rock. Don’t blame ethanol or farms.
We gave 31 million acres in CRP that could be in crops.
Along with that much more unused farm ground. The
farm bill is mostly that CRP, food stamps, and other
waste of money on greenie programs. We need farmers
to farm, people to support them and make changes to get rid of the real causes of food raise, the speculators,
and greedy middlemen. Grampa I think you know me,
from the Klamath wars, as a supporter of farms there, and
I wouldn’t tell you nothing but the truth.. Ed Hubel
"Replacing" one gallon of gasoline from imported oil with a gallon of ethanol from domestic corn costs the nation $7.24 in prices and subsidies.And it's really too bad, I'd much prefer that my money went overseas to the Arabs and Venezuela. At least some of that money gets spent back in the United States, on flight lessons and such. Oh, wait...
Fee was way off on his acreage prediction, but right about the larger crop. Last years corn crop was the largest in the history of human existence in North America.
So large in fact that we have a larger surplus of corn now than we’ve ever had.
What should we do with all the surplus corn?
The enormous size of last years corn crop resulted in the largest surplus of corn we've ever had. Even more tha we can turn into ethanol.
What should we do with all the surplus corn?
That is comforting to know. If we have so much surplus corn, then why is the price of corn and livestock feed going up?
The price of corn has remained stable when compared to the price of other commodities; it has increased relative to the Dollar, but so has the price of all other commodities...a signal that the Dollar is fast becoming just another third world currency.
Increased world wide demand. Demand resulting from increased standards of living which results in consumers hungy for meat products.
Roughly, it takes 4 pounds of grain to produce 1 pound of beef,
3 pounds of grain to produce 1 pound of pork, and
2 pounds of grain to produce 1 pound of poultry. Fish takes less than poultry, but I’m not sure of the number.
Not to worry though, over production has been, and will continue to be the farmers annual nemisis in a free market economy worldwide.
Last night, on our local news, the talk was about using pine trees, and scraps resulting from cutting and milling for ethanol. We have lots of pine trees in E TX - the Piney Woods area.
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