Skull Changes Show Time Of Human-Neandertal Split

National Geographic News ^ | 3-17-2008 | Scott Morris

[blam]

Thanks to Renfield for the article.

[blam]

GGG Ping.

[TheZMan]

Sorry, but I live in Texas. The Neanderthals are still around. You see them at 2am in WalMart.

[sono]

Don't Blame Me

I Voted For W.

[blam]

Some Neandertals Were Pale Redheads, DNA Suggests

[TheZMan]

!! My mother’s a pale redhead. Haha, this’ll be fun.

[valkyry1]

Ah, the great god of random chance and natural selection.

[jeddavis]

Gradual changes in human skull size and shape suggest a split between humans and Neandertals (often spelled Neanderthals) about 300,000 to 400,000 years ago, according to a new study.

The oldest real evidence of modern man on the planet even by conventional dating schemes is about 30K years.....

[babygene]

I always thought the major difference between man and animals had to do more with the way the brain was wired than the physical characteristics of the being...

I don’t think you can tell that by the size of the brain or shape of the scull.

[Dr.Deth]

I dunno, that's one shapely scull.

[Resolute Conservative]

Changes is species is not sound science. Small adaptations occur but there is no major redesigning of the species. changes are vertical in nature not horizontal ( one species does not turn into another ).

[Resolute Conservative]

You must have been into the one in Livingston. We stopped in there a few years back while traveling about 1am and you have never seen such a sight. I thought we were on the set of Deliverance. There were 14 year old girls with obviously older men, folks with no shoes on ( at least more shoes than teeth in some cases ), kids in nothing but diapers running everywhere, and obvious signs of inbreeding. We hurriedly got our stuff and left.

[null and void]

Ah, the great god of random chance and natural selection.

"God does not play dice with the Universe" ~ Albert Einstein

Sorry. Einstein was wrong. God does nothing but dice with the Universe.

Ask Job...

[Coyoteman]

The oldest real evidence of modern man on the planet even by conventional dating schemes is about 30K years.....

Sorry, wrong.

You keep dropping these one-liners on the science threads but you don't seem to want to back them up. Got any evidence for that statement?

[SunkenCiv]

Gee, I wonder which part of the skull? ;')

The Neandertal Enigma
by James Shreeve

Frayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]

[SunkenCiv]

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[Monkey Face]

Would that cause a splitting headache?

[SunkenCiv]

[singing] Genes. My baby’s got me locked up in genes.

[ASA Vet]

[jeddavis]

There’s basically no real basis for any of these dates you see on age estimates for most of the hominid remains in the world. RC dating even in theory is only good to around 50K years and the decay methods you read about for much older things don’t apply to hominid remains. Aside from everything else Gunnar Heinsohn has demonstrated that the stratigraphical basis for some of the age estimates involving neanderthal remains in caves are totally fubar and that there is no defensible basis for assigning more than about 100 years to a layering system which is normally assumed to involve about 60,000 years; that would be in “Wie Alt Ist Das Menschengeschlect?” The counts of tools and paraphernalia corresponds to about 100 years and not 60,000.