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Ron Paul on Eliot Spitzer: He acted badly but didn't deserve this
Politico ^ | 3/14/08 | Staff/Ron Paul

Posted on 03/15/2008 9:13:01 AM PDT by pissant

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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
"Why does he need to speak out on behalf of a scumbag like Spitzer? This is an ongoing investigation and Paul doesn't have all the facts in this case."

Because Paul is an idiot. He is just proving that once again.
121 posted on 03/15/2008 10:34:10 AM PDT by jrooney (Obama's mentor says God Da*n America. That explains Obama's refusal to put his hand over his heart.)
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To: Richard Kimball

“Bill and Hill were already working for them”

Oh, I am sure the Mester and Mees Clinton would disagree.

They think the KGB is working for them.


122 posted on 03/15/2008 10:34:41 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Just saying what 'they' won't.)
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To: DManA
"Entrapment would be sending an undercover cop to wiggle her fanny in his face and cuff him if he copped a feel."

Wo. I certainly agree that would be entrapment: but looks to me like in the Spitzwad case, Ron Paul was addressing :pervasive government intrusion," specifically, requiring the banks to report legal withdrawals of large amounts of cash:

Ron Paul: "Spitzer was brought down because he legally withdrew cash from a bank — not because he committed a crime. This should prompt us to reassess and hopefully reverse this trend of pervasive government intrusion in our private lives."

So in this statement, anyhow, Ron Paul is making a legitimate limited-government point.

123 posted on 03/15/2008 10:40:16 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Sounds that way to me.)
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To: justiceseeker93

“Rationale” suggests that the paleopipsqueak is capable of reasoning. Sadly, if he ever was capable of reasoning, he is no longer as was repeatedly proven during his idiotic embarrassment of a POTUS bid.


124 posted on 03/15/2008 10:41:47 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I agree with Paul on that. But there's a difference between spying on someone and entrapping them. Trap implies a bait. What was the government supplied bait? I'm more exploring the words here than arguing about principles.
125 posted on 03/15/2008 10:45:22 AM PDT by DManA
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To: StolarStorm

I understand. It’s just I don’t understand how the word entrappment applies in the Spitzer case.


126 posted on 03/15/2008 10:46:53 AM PDT by DManA
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To: pissant
Spitzer was brought down because he legally withdrew cash from a bank — not because he committed a crime. This should prompt us to reassess and hopefully reverse this trend of pervasive government intrusion in our private lives.

No, he was brought down because he commited a crime.

Had he withdrawn them money for legal purposes, nothing would have come of it.

The withdrawel of money only sent up red flags.

127 posted on 03/15/2008 10:47:02 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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To: pissant

Rep. Paul is correct Spitzer didn’t deserve what he got. He deserved worse.


128 posted on 03/15/2008 10:47:38 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (DemocraticUnderground.com is an internet hate site.)
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To: gridlock
> Moral of the story...

The Story of Eliot (the Dick).

See Dick.

See Dick kick (people).

See Dick run (governor).

See Dick putz (around).

See Dick fall (from power).

Don't be a Dick.

(Just elaborating on your accurate observation...)

129 posted on 03/15/2008 10:48:09 AM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: pissant
Paul hasn't figured out what happened here ~ which isn't surprising.

Man is blinded by his ideology.

130 posted on 03/15/2008 10:48:59 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: tacticalogic
I didn't assert it was an "amoral" position, you did.

What exactly do you mean by "objective?" It is your proposition of morality.

Oh, so much here.

Beyond there, there's the flawed tacit assertion that any "amoral" argument is inherently immoral by simply failing to address morality.

An amoral argument doesn't "fail to address morality," it excludes it by definition.

But I think you're smart enough to figure that and everything else out.

You'll have to argue with yourself now.

131 posted on 03/15/2008 10:51:14 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (A moderate Muslim is one who acts like a Christian.)
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To: StolarStorm
In a recent study, 1/3 of all children born (in the USA) have a different father than the husband.... indicating that we are quite "active" already. But, by how people talk though, you'd think we were in a puritan enclave. My problem is that we have become a nation of liars and hypocrits when it comes to sex.

No, it shows that we have become a nation of degenerate sinners.

Our society has become very tolerant of sexual sins as is made evident by the increase of sexual disease, out of wedlock births, and the breaking up of marriages.

132 posted on 03/15/2008 10:52:56 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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To: jrooney
Because Paul is an idiot. He is just proving that once again.

He's wrong on some issues just like McCain is wrong on campaign-finance reform, illegal immigration, and global warming for example. Nobody's perfect.

133 posted on 03/15/2008 10:53:47 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: justiceseeker93
I think you have been watching too many movies. While there may be a case or two of an innocent person being convicted of a crime they did not commit, it is seldom. I do not have any fear of being convicted of a crime because the gov’t is watching for highly irregular banking transactions.
134 posted on 03/15/2008 10:55:32 AM PDT by John D
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To: StolarStorm
You know the type, witnessing non stop, putting on the big church act... and then having a nice budget for strip clubs.

And that makes sexual sins right?

Stop using the hypocrisy of others to justify sins.

135 posted on 03/15/2008 10:57:18 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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To: wideawake
I have no choice at this point but to conclude that Ron Paul has entered his dotage. He is simply not lucid and I will no longer make fun of him. I hope his family gets the care that he needs and that they encourage him to step down from Congress so he may leave with what little shreds of dignity he has remaining.

This was the libertarian view, Tucker was saying the same things.

Maybe that is why he is now off the air.

136 posted on 03/15/2008 10:58:56 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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To: nmh

Ron Paul has NO tolerance for government sniffing around the private activities of Americas citizens. US government officials certainly have made it difficult for us to investigate their public actions.

Years ago, it required court ordered warrants for government officials to look at a persons banking transactions. These days it is the norm and the bank employees are doing it for them.

When these same government officials chose not to enforce a duly written law, try and bring them up on charges. Go ahead, I would love to see you try it. Before you can take a deep breath the IRS will be examining every dollar that has passed within your reach to determine if you paid ALL the taxes THEY believe are due. They will use YOUR tax dollars to investigate your actions and should they wish to do so, they will use YOUR tax dollars to prosecute you with no fear of penalties should the Court determine that you are innocent.

Do you own any registered weapons? Expect a visit from the BATFE to determine if all of your private weapons and magazines are within legal limits.

Still curious what them governemt officials are doing? Get ready for the visit from the local building inspector who wishes to walk through your home because they received a call about illegal modifications. Yes, he will report to the fire department that you have more than the legal amount of gasoline stored on your property.

Have you been to a medical lab for some blood work lately? Don’t be surprised if the lab didn’t send a fax of your tests to some government office that you’ve neverheard of. Yeah, now they know that you smoke pot thanks to the lab tests. You do know that the government is legally authorized to examine your medical records don’t you?

But don’t you worry. The US Government only hires the smartest employees and they perform multiple checks to varify that those tests are yours and not those of a convicted felon who has the same name.

Keep your faith in goverment!


137 posted on 03/15/2008 10:59:49 AM PDT by B4Ranch ("In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." FDR)
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To: Lakeshark

If you study our history you shall see that most of our Founding Fathers were libertarians. The base of what free peoples believe in is libertarian in concept.

Ron Paul is an educated moron but it appears that his most of his statements always seem to go beyond reason. Although most feel Spitzer got what he deserved. How can thinking person feel its OK to have your bank spy on you. Police can not arrest you without Due Cause. What makes it OK for a bank to report you to the Government for withdrawing your money from their bank. We do not need our banks spying on us.


138 posted on 03/15/2008 11:02:58 AM PDT by EdArt (free to be)
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To: B4Ranch
Yeah, now they know that you smoke pot thanks to the lab tests.

Yes, that is a serious concern for most Americans.

LOL!

139 posted on 03/15/2008 11:04:09 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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To: BlackElk
Or maybe some Republican Member of Congress would display the cojones to move to expel Paul from the GOP caucus.

On what grounds? I would guess that there are plenty of "moderate" GOP members who vote against the GOP leadership's position more frequently than Paul. The GOP needs a libertarian conscience, even though there are significant issues where not everyone will agree with Dr. Paul.

140 posted on 03/15/2008 11:06:00 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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