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The Politics of a Failed Presidency
Weekly Standard ^ | March 17, 2008 | Jeffrey Bell

Posted on 03/08/2008 5:55:24 PM PST by fkabuckeyesrule

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To: fkabuckeyesrule

Funny, but illegal immigration wasn’t even mentioned. Bush failed more than anywhere else with his stands on illegal immigration and Globalism, with spending coming a fast third. He promised to govern as a conservative, and ended up a RINO.

See you at the signing, Horhay.


61 posted on 03/08/2008 8:51:40 PM PST by roamer_1 (Conservative always, Republican no more.)
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To: Cicero

It was sometime around the 4000th word that I realized that this screed wasn’t going anywhere!


62 posted on 03/08/2008 8:53:12 PM PST by eclecticEel (oh well, Hunter 2012 anyone?)
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To: fkabuckeyesrule

What a bunch of crap!!!!!


63 posted on 03/08/2008 9:03:20 PM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: fkabuckeyesrule
This was eye-opening, reading these multitudinous posts in response to an article which it appears few read, other than a few phrases out of context.

The article was not in any way a polemic. It simply attempts to analyze some key aspects of the Bush years, especially in light of Reaganism. The author wishes to foment dialogue on where to go from here if we are to keep the Molotovs out of the Lincoln Bedroom.

Thoughtful discourse has been supplanted by a mob of videogameboys.
64 posted on 03/08/2008 9:06:05 PM PST by jobim
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To: yldstrk

“Thank you George W. Bush. For having the fortitude to fight the Islamics. For having class. For ignoring the low class attacks against you. For discerning the truth when you were surrounded by yellow dogs shouting lies. I am proud to call you my President. You have inspiered me with your true courageous leadership.”
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Spot on Yldstrk. It bears repeating.


65 posted on 03/08/2008 9:12:05 PM PST by AlternateEgo (Fred Thompson for the Supreme Court)
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To: yldstrk

He just lacked one thing: the ability to communicate clearly. He constantly sent mixed messages. President Bush would tell us something serious, something gravely important - then he would smile. Speaking coaches call that sending mixed messages, and nothing turns listeners hostile faster than that nervous speaking tick, smiling to soften the message.

Nevertheless, I believe he will be seen as a great president. I haven’t yet read Kenneth Timmerman’s book, Shadow Warriors, but I will. That book names the names of the traitors who made President Bush look inept and idiotic, the people who labelled him a liar - that in itself a lie. The Democrats will eventually pay a price, but I think it won’t be for while.


66 posted on 03/08/2008 9:27:35 PM PST by SatinDoll (Desperately seeking a conservative candidate.)
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To: fkabuckeyesrule
One day the left will give up its Che T-shirts for Bush T-shirts — you can expect (no, take to the bank!) that they will screw up the facts about Bush as badly as they have with Che. Yes, they will remember him as a great President and so will the right... just like everybody now remembers Abe Lincoln to be a great president. And Joe McCarthy will also be remember by the left as a great hero — that's how stupid (or smart) the left will eventually become in time.

But I love this thread -- all the intelligent remarks about the article's long winded stupidity and G W Bush's great legacy.

67 posted on 03/08/2008 9:46:24 PM PST by Blind Eye Jones
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To: squidly
“5% unemployment would be considered a resounding victory for a Clinton presidency. In fact, it was.”

[[[[ Let's do a time tunnel thing and picture Clinton in his third term. The dot com bubble blurts and he resorts to government intervention and attempted control of the markets. The U.S. economy is headed to the dumps.

The Bush tax cuts never happen. 9/11 happens and clintons advisor's appeal to him to placate the muslims around the world. Clinton apologizes to muslims around the world and offers aid to muslim countries.

With no aggressive action against the muslims they get more radical and more anti U.S. We, and the other western powers vacillate between appeasement and briber to try to save civilisation.

However the tidal wave of extremism has washed over the developing countries of the world. Most succumb to extremism and the “buffer zones” that were the third world countries is no more.

Extremist muslim governments now abut the developed countries who still try to placate the muslim masses. Now the world is faced with several bad choices. Islam, totalitarian communism, or western type civilization which is facing the needed to give in to the other two or fight the muslims and communists.

In fact, at that point western civilization is no longer possible. In trying to buy the votes and allegiance of it's citizens it has wasted valuable time and resources. Western civilization as we know it is gone. ]]]]

That is what was facing us when Bush or any other president took office in 2001. Clintons presidency was NOT the cause of the bubble of the 90’s, just the beneficiary of a cycle.

No dot com bubble and Clinton's presidency is viewed as it was... just a lucky blip in time for a president. Clinton was only held in check by the Republican congress or he would have been viewed far worse. His big government ideas were counter conducive to further growth and advancement.

So Clinton presidency would still be being cursed for the harm it cause the American economy. NOTHING he did advanced the excellent position he inherited from previous administrations. He was not the cause of the growth.

The best that can be said is that in spite of his leanings (big government socialism / totalitarianism) he effectively played NO role to effect on our growth and advancement. Technology rolled over him and his administration.

68 posted on 03/08/2008 10:01:33 PM PST by JSteff ( This election is about the 4 or 5 Supreme Court Justices who will retire . Vote Accordingly!)
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To: fkabuckeyesrule

Verborrhea, with chunks.

Bush’s presidency had its flaws, but compared to his predecessor (and, I fear, his successor) he accomplished much, particularly in addressing areas of sore neglect such as metastasizing global jihad and the run-down of the military.

His biggest failures came when trying to appease the Left, e.g. with the prescription-drug boondoggle and campaign-finance reform. This lesson will become increasingly clear as time goes on.


69 posted on 03/08/2008 10:18:13 PM PST by RightOnTheLeftCoast ([Fred Thompson/Clarence Thomas 2008!])
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To: yldstrk

Winning in Iraq and preventing attacks on US soil for 7 years= failed presidency? How many attacks would there have been under Gore? How about a nuclear armed Saddam supplying weapons to Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan? These count for nothing?


70 posted on 03/08/2008 10:35:09 PM PST by boop (Democracy is the theory that the people get the government they deserve, good and hard.)
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To: tear gas
I don't know how American Standard can print such garbage.

They don't print it. They just flush it like they always have.


71 posted on 03/08/2008 10:42:07 PM PST by logician2u
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To: ketsu

True words.


72 posted on 03/08/2008 11:17:10 PM PST by Eyes Unclouded (We won't ever free our guns but be sure we'll let them triggers go....)
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To: fkabuckeyesrule

The comparisons to Reagan fail to mention vital elements, some arguably cosmetic, but others substantial. Reagan was unparalleled as a public speaker, and his aides, particularly Michael Deaver, were skilled in showcasing him. Reagan was articulate with a superb speaking voice through which his intelligence shone, a natural wit, and very likeable.

Bush comes off poorly when showcased, and lacks Reagan’s seasoned stage presence. He is woefully inarticulate, possibly the most inarticulate president in American history, or at least since the dawning of the age of mass communication. When probed in interviews, and forced to compose his replies off-the-cuff, he invariably betrays a shallow knowledge base and a jejune system of thought. The president has a limited vocabulary and clearly hasn’t spent much time reading books. He has some wit and likeability, as did Reagan, but not enough to overcome his acute intellectual deficiencies.

George Bush hasn’t worn well. People don’t respect him as a leader, and his decidedly average intellect is a big part of the reason. Leaders, and certainly heads of state, should be smarter than average.


73 posted on 03/08/2008 11:30:14 PM PST by beckett (Amor Fati)
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To: boop
Winning in Iraq and preventing attacks on US soil for 7 years= failed presidency? How many attacks would there have been under Gore? How about a nuclear armed Saddam supplying weapons to Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan? These count for nothing?
"Winning" in Iraq? The stabilization and rehabilitation of Iraq should have taken 2 years. At most. Rumsfeld decided he was going to show the world that he could take anybody out and take over their country with a streamlined military. It failed. Miserably.

The Bush presidency has had precisely the opposite effect. It has *emboldened* America's enemies. Why do you think Hamas, North Korea, Iran, Venezuela and Cuba are all doing happy dances around Jorge?

74 posted on 03/09/2008 12:42:01 AM PST by ketsu
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To: The_Republican

I’d like to see you up in front of 50 cameras with reporters staring at you and lights shining in your face, knowing that millions are watching every word you say. I wonder how well you’d be able to articulate yourself?


75 posted on 03/09/2008 1:03:00 AM PST by joseph20 (...to ourselves and our Posterity...)
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To: joseph20
I’d like to see you up in front of 50 cameras with reporters staring at you and lights shining in your face, knowing that millions are watching every word you say. I wonder how well you’d be able to articulate yourself?
The presidency of the United States is not an affirmative action job.
76 posted on 03/09/2008 3:18:42 AM PDT by ketsu
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To: ketsu

I’m not sure I follow your response.

My point is this: One’s ability to speak in public under pressure is not necessarily correlated with their intelligence or with the quality of their ideas.


77 posted on 03/09/2008 3:30:28 AM PDT by joseph20 (...to ourselves and our Posterity...)
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To: fkabuckeyesrule
To me, Reaganism means traditionalism on social issues, supply-side tax rate cuts in economics,

How does the author explain W's failed tax cuts that put money in the hands of consumers and W's public opposition to capital gains tax cuts? When we did get supply side tax cuts, they came from congressman Bill Thomas, not W.

78 posted on 03/09/2008 3:31:37 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: fkabuckeyesrule
A Bush economic program that as recently as 2004 looked like an impressive application of successful Reaganite tax policy to a new but analogous era has now been retrofitted to a completely pre-Reagan, Keynesian, demand-side framework. None of this is meant to say that Bush himself is ending as a Keynesian.

W was never supply side. He's always been Keynesian. He's an economic moron.

79 posted on 03/09/2008 3:38:08 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: La Enchiladita
'The real failure in this nation is that so many voters, the vast majority, have forgotten September 11, 2001.'

W has been so successful in leading the rebounding from that terrible day, that many have forgotten what/why we are fighting. He told us to 'live our lives', and we have. The dims never wanted to admit what that meant, and what that took.

I do not agree with his 'no-amnesty' immigration proposal. I do not understand the lack of a fight against the dims that have broken law after law.

We will probably never know how many attacks have been avoided. As has been said, the enemy only has to get it right once. With the dims in charge, they will probably get it 'right' many times.

80 posted on 03/09/2008 4:03:53 AM PDT by mathluv
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