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Anti-War Judge Rejects Foster Teen's Bid to Join Military
L.A. Daily News ^ | 3/6/2008 | Dana Bartholomew

Posted on 03/07/2008 7:10:56 AM PST by Pyro7480

SIMI VALLEY - Shawn Sage long dreamed of joining the military, and watching "Full Metal Jacket" last year really sold him on becoming a Marine.

But last fall, a Los Angeles Superior Court commissioner dashed the foster teen's hopes of early enlistment for Marine sniper duty, plus a potential $10,000 signing bonus.

In denying the Royal High School student delayed entry into the Marine Corps, Children's Court Commissioner Marilyn Mackel reportedly told Sage and a recruiter that she didn't approve of the Iraq war, didn't trust recruiters and didn't support the military.

"The judge said she didn't support the Iraq war for any reason why we're over there," said Marine recruiter Sgt. Guillermo Medrano of the Simi Valley USMC recruiting office.

"She just said all recruiters were the same - that they `all tap dance and tell me what I want to hear.' She said she didn't want him to fight in it."

Sage, 17, said he begged for Mackel's permission.

"Foster children shouldn't be denied (an) ability to enlist in the service just because they're foster kids," he said. "Foster kids shouldn't have to go to court to gain approval to serve one's country."

Mackel, a juvenile dependency commissioner at the Children's Court in Monterey Park, declined through a clerk to speak about any court case or comments she may have made in court.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailynews.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: blackrobedtyrants; blacrobedtyrants; california; fosterchild; judge; judicialtyranny; marines
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To: FrdmLvr

The CDC in Atlanta is odious with self important back slappers, every week is another award ceremony from some leftie to some other leftie, some of the same people get 5 or 6 award banquettes a year as long as they tote the line. Politics is always injected into the awards ceremonies, left wing PC bull$hit etc...All on your tax dollar of course. Lavish trips, gifts, you know the drill.


41 posted on 03/07/2008 8:41:10 AM PST by redstateconfidential (If you are the smartest person in the room,you are hanging out with the wrong people.)
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To: Pyro7480

Can the kid join when he turns 18?


42 posted on 03/07/2008 8:47:49 AM PST by wastedyears (Iron Maiden in two weeks' time.)
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To: Pyro7480; Syncro; 444Flyer; Drango
Clearly an abuse of power by this Judge, who has denied other foster kids the same opportunity.

From the article:
His foster parents, as well as his social worker, supported his decision to enlist early.

Sage went to court prepared with his supporters, foster parents and social worker, and the Judge in his case ignored the value of their input.

"As winner of Smyth's "there oughta be a law" contest, [Sage] will be flown to Sacramento to testify before the Assembly."] -- And he may be instrumental in getting Smyth's bill passed, helping other foster kids avoid the miscarriage of justice he experienced.

This young man demonstrates a higher level of ingegrity than many people decades older than himself.
43 posted on 03/07/2008 8:48:00 AM PST by USMC Brat (Set the example.)
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To: thulldud

There’s some people you can depend on that will deliver.


44 posted on 03/07/2008 8:50:31 AM PST by wastedyears (Iron Maiden in two weeks' time.)
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To: Pyro7480

Do I agree with the decision? No. But when the kid turns 18, he can do whatever he wants.


45 posted on 03/07/2008 8:56:06 AM PST by Doohickey (BDS free since 2000)
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To: Pyro7480
IMPEACH Marilyn Mackel
46 posted on 03/07/2008 9:04:23 AM PST by Doctor Raoul (Fire the CIA and hire the Free Clinic, someone who knows how to stop leaks.)
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To: Pyro7480

$20 says Marilyn Mackel would let a 15 year old get an abortion, or let a 13 year old get the morning after pill.


47 posted on 03/07/2008 9:06:55 AM PST by Doctor Raoul (Fire the CIA and hire the Free Clinic, someone who knows how to stop leaks.)
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To: Pyro7480
...said Marine recruiter Sgt. Guillermo Medrano of the Simi Valley USMC recruiting office.

I wonder what his citizenship status is? Oops, wrong thread!

Seriously, my mom had to sign when I joined at 17. If the kid is a foster child, someone has to allow it. You'd think there is some sort of precedent.

48 posted on 03/07/2008 9:13:24 AM PST by Fundamentally Fair (Experience Change!)
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To: Iron Munro

>>What this country needs is a President with an Attorney General and a Justice Department staffed with thousands of lawyers just itching to take on legal idiocy like this.

Wrong, we don’t need no stinking lawyers. We need people with common sense to hold these people up to ridicule - the only thing they cannot stand.

A couple of people in the courtroom with tape recorders replayed over the internet would sure put their skivies in a knot.


49 posted on 03/07/2008 10:34:26 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1 - Take no prisoners))
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To: wideawake
Not the audience reaction Kubrick was hoping for.

What's funny is that the liberal mind cannot understand why people join the military at all, and they certainly cannot understand why a movie like "Full Metal Jacket" would actually inspire someone to want to join the Marines. For them, seeing the rough discipline of the basic training part of the movie would be enough to convince them that the military is evil. They can't understand that there are actually young men out there who want to serve their country, and want to find out what they're made of at the same time.

I must have watched Full Metal Jacket 20 times before I went into (Army) Basic. It got me pumped up.
50 posted on 03/07/2008 10:59:12 AM PST by fr_freak (So foul a sky clears not without a storm)
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To: Pyro7480

One day soon he will join the Marines. One day he will vote. I bet he remembers this judge for a long time and votes appropriately in the future.


51 posted on 03/07/2008 11:01:46 AM PST by PsyOp (Truth in itself is rarely sufficient to make men act. - Clauswitz, On War, 1832.)
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To: Digital Sniper

Justice isn’t blind, it just has its head up its ass...


52 posted on 03/07/2008 11:02:41 AM PST by PsyOp (Truth in itself is rarely sufficient to make men act. - Clauswitz, On War, 1832.)
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To: wideawake
Not the audience reaction Kubrick was hoping for.

I'm not sure about that. I haven't seen any statements by Kubrick that would indicate he hoped it would be an "anti-war" movie.

53 posted on 03/07/2008 11:14:18 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
I haven't seen any statements by Kubrick that would indicate he hoped it would be an "anti-war" movie.

Kubrick's war films: Paths Of Glory, Barry Lyndon, Dr. Strangelove, and Full Metal Jacket all carry the same basic message: that wars are futile.

In POG the French and Germans fight and fight to gain or lose a few inches of territory in grueling trench warfare and thousands of men die in an hour in a botched attack).

In BL, Barry Lyndon wanders through Europe serving in the British army, then deserting and being captured by the German army, which forces him into service until he can desert them in turn, all the while taking part in battles he doesn't even understand the purpose of.

In DS, Lionel Mandrake is the lone voice of reason, trying to figure out the point of a military strategy dreamed up by apparently mentally unbalanced generals that he believes will inevitably result in the destruction of both sides.

In FMJ, Private Joker is an ambivalent participant in combat during a war whose aims he does not see as particularly meaningful to him or to the Vietnamese.

54 posted on 03/07/2008 11:29:14 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: fr_freak
They can't understand that there are actually young men out there who want to serve their country, and want to find out what they're made of at the same time.

You nailed it. The operative words there are: "they can't understand ... men...."

55 posted on 03/07/2008 11:34:33 AM PST by thulldud (Insanity: Electing John McCain again and expecting a different result.)
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To: wideawake

And of course there is the comic ‘pettiness’ of the Cold War rivarlries in ‘2001’. I’ve always thought the war films tie in to the general Kubrick theme of a highly taut ‘system’ or plan for group coodination spinning out of control (race track robberies, infallible computers, impregnable hotels, perfect marriages (Eyes Wide Shut)...).

Have you ever heard about the story behind Gus Hasford?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustav_Hasford

He was the Vietnam Vet who wrote ‘The Short Timers’ which FMJ was based on. He was supposedly somewhat disturbed and had problems getting along with Kubrick and dissociated himself from the production early on.


56 posted on 03/07/2008 11:54:33 AM PST by Borges
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To: wideawake

And in Spartacus, the rebels are killed by the Romans at the end.

Yes, those are the plots of the movies, much like John Wayne is killed at the end of The Sands of Iwo Jima, or like how Tom Hanks is killed at the end of Saving Private Ryan.

Kubrick was fairly adept at not making political comments about his movies or what he wanted to convey. He just told good stories.

I don’t think that “war is futile” is what most people take away from his films.


57 posted on 03/07/2008 12:07:14 PM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

my father LIED to get into the service in WW2......he was very young....didn’t even get out of HS....


58 posted on 03/07/2008 12:57:42 PM PST by cherry
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To: Iron Munro
"What this country needs is a President with an Attorney General and a Justice Department"

and what we have now is a mamby, pamby,soft, "let's go along to get along" crowd with the milinockets the size of marbles...

59 posted on 03/07/2008 1:00:12 PM PST by cherry
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To: wastedyears
Can the kid join when he turns 18?

Yes, although he won't be eligible for the $10,000 signing bonus which is only given if you sign up when you're 17.

60 posted on 03/07/2008 1:11:16 PM PST by rosenfan
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