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Will conservatives back McCain?
Atlanta Journal Constitution ^ | 3/2/08 | AARON GOULD SHEININ

Posted on 03/01/2008 3:04:41 PM PST by Oshkalaboomboom

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To: cgbg
Ronald Reagan said of the Democrats: "I didn't walk out on them. They walked out on me."

The Gipper got it right, as usual.

Unlike your stance, I do believe the Gipper had it right. He was more conservative than the Democrats and he had a viable alternative that was more conservative, the Republicans.

On the other hand if you don't feel the Republicans are Conservative enough what viable alternative do you have that might be as productive as the Gippers switch to the Republicans?

The answer ....... NONE

I'll stand by what I said.

241 posted on 03/01/2008 7:41:28 PM PST by billva
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To: kellynla

and Ronald Reagan, NOMINATED O’Connor & Kennedy.

Of course, but the McCainics are saying to us that we must rvote foe him because he will put forth conservative judges, and I am pointing out that his record on this is not ... good.

Reagan had a ton of other qualities and stood on his own merits. - He didn’t have supporters that whined that we had to vote for him because he wasn’t as bad as the other guy.


242 posted on 03/01/2008 7:44:54 PM PST by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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To: calcowgirl; ezed72

“how un-realistic it would be to just “enforce the law”.”

Oh, not only are we supposed to bow down to the Gop elephant, but now it’s “un-realistic to enforce the law”?

You McCain lovers, (Not You, Calcowgirl), are real good at pulling boogeymen out of the closet to scare people so they will back this Rino POS. Well here’s a scary story for all of you. If ANY of the three top contenders get into office, say hello to 30,000,000 new liberal, welfare sucking, un-American, citizens.

And you have dreams for “another day” for any Conservative party, after that influx. Dream on. We all better hold the Gop’s feet directly to the fire for an alternative, or this is it.


243 posted on 03/01/2008 7:47:23 PM PST by FReepapalooza (Joshua 3:4 ..."for ye have not passed this way heretofore.")
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To: calcowgirl
Well, this is certainly going to change my mind about McCain. NOT!

FYI, I never had a candidate but I would have voted for more than half of those running in the primary. McCain, however, didn't make the cut. McCain, as a Republican, can do more damage in advancing the liberal agenda than a democrat facing strong opposition.

You can whine and call others names all you want. I doubt it will do you much good.

Actually I am not trying to change your mind, I think I have about as much chance of doing that as reasoning with a granite block.

I would also submit to you that I am not whining or calling names. I am simply discussing the actions of some people who choose to not participate and then put some high flying, faulty reasoning on their decision to whine. See I think the people knocking McCain are the whiners, big time. Especially those that want to pick up their marbles and run home.

In reality in the long run the Republican Party may be better off without conservatives, like you apparently are, that are fair weather Republicans that sulk when they don't get their way.

As to McCain doing more harm to the Republican Party that Obama or Hillary, that is a cop out for folks like you who need an excuse.pAgain I'm not trying to change your mind or whine, I'm simply letting you know in what contempt I hold the opinion you are expressing.

Have a good day.

244 posted on 03/01/2008 7:50:25 PM PST by billva
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To: bill1952

“Because we are talking about McCain, not Obama, and if you are trying to tell me that McCain is going to put forth better judges than Ginsburg, I am going to look at his record of nominating ... judges”
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Neither McCain nor Obama have ‘nominated’ judges; as Senators they don’t have that perogative. However, you won’t have to go very far back to find that Obama voted against both Roberts and Alito, whereas McCain voted for, and strongly supported, both of them.

As for “changing subjects” you must be losing track of the conversation. It’s exactly the point I made in my initial post which you objected to.


245 posted on 03/01/2008 7:57:20 PM PST by AlternateEgo (Fred Thompson for the Supreme Court)
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To: Liz

“...Kicking conservatives to the curb and religious cleansing of the Repub party are the Billy crowd’s longtime obsession...”

Maybe so, but I have a feeling that the moving companies in D.C. will be working 24 hours a day 7 days a week after the general election. Moving Republicans back to their home states and districts.


246 posted on 03/01/2008 8:01:12 PM PST by sport
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To: ezed72

>>>if McCain/Huckabee ran as a ticket, they would be unbeatable.

Who wants a Christian Califate run by a leftist military dictator?

Why not nominate GOP leadership that will shut down the borders and reduce government? And, make them young and attractive so they can compete for the younger voters against callow Osama Obama.


247 posted on 03/01/2008 8:22:46 PM PST by Hop A Long Cassidy
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To: billva
I would also submit to you that I am not whining or calling names.

crybabies ... spoiled children ...

Goes to credibility, your honor. The witness has none.

See I think the people knocking McCain are the whiners, big time. Especially those that want to pick up their marbles and run home.

See above.

248 posted on 03/01/2008 8:24:35 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: katiedidit1
The truth is many prominent conservatives ARE voting for McCain.

McCain is the right man for the times. Strong on cutting spending and strong on national defense

"Strong on cutting spending"? Ha ha, stop you're killing me. McCnutts amnesty will be the largest tax earmark in history.

"Strong on defense"? Why isn't this powerful Senator doing anything other than talking about closing the border during a time of war? He could be helping himself by doing something now.

"McCain is the right man for the times"?

How much are you McCain supporters donating to his campaign?

McCnutts is going nowhere without the support of the Conservatives he shiites on daily.

249 posted on 03/01/2008 8:28:14 PM PST by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment.. (A "Concerned Citizen".)
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To: calcowgirl
I would also submit to you that I am not whining or calling names.

crybabies ... spoiled children ...

Goes to credibility, your honor. The witness has none.

See I think the people knocking McCain are the whiners, big time. Especially those that want to pick up their marbles and run home. See above.

Kind of cute, but meaningless.

Describing one's actions is certainly not calling names. Acting like crybabies and spoiled children is an apt description of people letting us know loudly they are not going to vote for McCain.

Pointing that out is not whining but just describing the event.

Credibility? Let me see the so called base here that calls McCain, McLame among other things certainly lacks credibility, address this to them.

But mostly just understand again that I'm just describing the actions of some here, if it fits you and it bothers you that's just kind of tough!

250 posted on 03/01/2008 8:33:44 PM PST by billva
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
Will conservatives back McCain?

In a word...yes (except for a few idiots).

251 posted on 03/01/2008 8:36:07 PM PST by Space Moose
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To: FReepapalooza; ezed72
Here is a picture of the anarchists that ezed and McCain consider citizens:


252 posted on 03/01/2008 8:40:34 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

Yep, a picture’s worth a thousand words.


253 posted on 03/01/2008 8:52:56 PM PST by FReepapalooza (Joshua 3:4 ..."for ye have not passed this way heretofore.")
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To: AlternateEgo
...Obama voted against both Roberts and Alito, whereas McCain voted for, and strongly supported, both of them.

Your use of the word "support" is a far reach. McCain is the one that criticized Alito and said he might not vote for him because "he wore his conservatism on his sleeve."

254 posted on 03/01/2008 8:53:37 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
Still, some say conservatives' ire toward McCain has been exaggerated and that he has been unfairly painted as a moderate or liberal by the media or by those who simply don't like him.

Yep, some say that. They're liars.

255 posted on 03/01/2008 8:59:37 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: nyconse

Agreed,It would not hurt my feelings to see both of “our” senators go down to defeat in their next elections.They are what is wrong with the republican party that I used to belong to.


256 posted on 03/01/2008 9:11:55 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
Obama Headquarters.......Think he'll enforce immigration laws & secure the border?

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257 posted on 03/01/2008 9:19:48 PM PST by egginanest ( "Never interrupt me when I'm trying to interrupt you." -Winston Churchill-)
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To: bill1952

You’re right, I think.

But Obama says we should have hope, so here’s hoping McCain will pick a conservative.

‘Course, McCain says Hillary! would make a good President.

I may very well vote for her, since she has his endorsement.


258 posted on 03/01/2008 9:56:03 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: billva
This may come as a surprise to you and some of the other crybabies on this and other topics, but this Republican is completely disgusted with the spoiled children that are threatening to pick up their marbles and run home because their candidate didn't get nominated.

Frankly I think in the long run it is highly possible that the damage you and others will do is more to the more conservative part of the Republican party. If in this election many of you do sit out the election you may well convenience many that you are more hindrance that the base of the party.

What I have said in other posts, no one who bales out on this election has any reason to call themselves the base of the party.


I see more of the "put some ice on it" crowd has joined the conversation.

Here's a question for you:

Conservatives have problems with McAmnesty on the issues. How do you think calling them names is going to convince them of anything?

Quite frankly, you are showing just how little ammunition you have in this argument.

The fear and loathing of the Democrats and the "Lessor of Two Evils" approach does not work when your candidate has decided that running to the left continually is the best way to win an election.

All this behavior does is strengthen the desire of the base to not vote at all.
259 posted on 03/01/2008 10:23:45 PM PST by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: ezed72; calcowgirl
Answere the question though...would you ‘round them up?’. And if so, how?

And so the mask comes off...

Nice straw man.

Enforce the laws, make it impossible for them to find work here, make it impossible to leach off of the social services and they will self-deport.
260 posted on 03/01/2008 10:25:57 PM PST by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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