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To: HawaiianGecko
HawaiianGecko writes: "Under no circumstances is Clinton in the position she finds herself on purpose. She's where she is because she underestimated this guy from Chicago and the machine that's backing him."

Nothing would please me more than to be wrong about Hillary and her rope-a-dope strategy. Indeed, I pray that I am wrong.

What bothers me, though, is that the Obama "machine" to which you refer does not appear to be independent of Hillary's machine. Both candidates draw support from the "shadow party" of non-profit front groups created and led by George Soros.

Of course, it is possible that Soros betrayed Hillary and threw her overboard in favor of Obama, at some point. Maybe. But that seems a slender reed on which to hang one's hopes.

It seems more likely that the "shadow party" is enacting some sort of elaborate charade. And that worries me very much.

32 posted on 03/01/2008 8:49:28 AM PST by Richard Poe
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To: Richard Poe
Drinking Coffee "It seems more likely that the "shadow party" is enacting some sort of elaborate charade. And that worries me very much."
I agree that something's awry.  Just the sum of money raised between the two alone, should be an indicator of some kind of hanky-panky.  I simply cannot fathom that at a time when "the economy is in ruin, people cannot afford gasoline, cannot make their house payments" etcetera etcetera, that they are sending vast amounts of scarce money to the democratic party.

I remember 40 years ago just starting out on my own and not having two nickels to rub together.  If I had the choice of spending my last dollar on a pack of cigarettes or a lousy presidential candidate, I know which would have won out. So one of two things is possible. People aren't hurting for money, or someone else is sending money in their name. 
39 posted on 03/01/2008 9:40:32 AM PST by HawaiianGecko
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To: Richard Poe

This reminds me of 1968-1969 and the SDS split into RYMI-RYMII and the Weathermen.

There is a pathology on the Left that always results in internecine warfare and divisive splits. Likely this is because they are each after personal power, rather than pure ideologues. As each movement/revolution grows and ages, there are individuals who do not get what they think they deserve/are entitled to. These people harbor grudges, ally ad hoc against whomever does have power and counter-revolutions are born.

My husband and I got out of the Left totally in the 1970s, but we were around for 1968-1969. We keep saying to each other that this year’s Democrat fight reminds us strongly of 40 years ago. Many of the most active young Leftists are nihilists and they will at least try to bring about anarchy at the convention. They call themselves R68 for “Recreate ‘68”.

Remember: while far from stupid and very, very rich, they just are not that talented. Look at how much has already been made public from the past 40 years relative to this campaign, for example. Talented people would have covered their tracks a lot better, IMO. I believe there is a chance they will blow it once again. No one thought Nixon would win. No one thought Reagan would win. The Left thought they had defeated Bush twice. The leaders are extremely arrogant.

The mass of American voters are pragmatic. Most are secular. A majority are not suicidal. I do know sane Democrats who are not buying the hype and who also are not feminists. I was hearing ardent Greens putting McCain forth as a possible POTUS over a year and a half ago. McCain (whom I do not like, but for whom I will vote)only needs a percentage of the usual Dem voters, especially if another percentage stays home.

Vote fraud is my major fear this fall.


47 posted on 03/01/2008 10:24:32 AM PST by reformedliberal
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