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To: Mrs. Don-o
You can disagree with my Mother but you can’t call her a whore.

You are completely changing the context. What did God call Israel in the Old Testament? A whore. It is in that sense, I believe (I don't speak for him, actually) that he meant it. He is specifically referring to the reference to the great whore in Revelation. Now I can certainly see why Catholics are upset. But don't make it different than it is. A religious whore is a biblical concept. It has a theological meaning. It wasn't chosen just to be hateful.

Just today I posted something about this awful "post-evangelical" doofus named Brian McLaren. I said he was a deceiver, just like his boss. Now tell me, isn't that a very similar thing? It is my strongly held belief that McLaren is a modern Judas, a false teacher, a heretic, a son of Satan.....pick the term that is the worst. I am not threatening his physical life or his freedom to be a snake. Neither is Hagee a threat to Catholics other than they have to stand up and defend their faith. That is what we call religious freedom. Politicians had better not start taking sides or it will be death to those freedoms.

181 posted on 03/01/2008 7:33:59 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past; NYer; mountainlyons; muir_redwoods
I understand your point, but I would want to make a point to Hagee that I have made to others concerning the displays of anger and the usage of incendiary language which we find in the Bible.

It is this: God is perfectly entitled to His anger. Whether He calls down firey doom on Sodom and Gomorrah, or floods the entire earth so that every living thing on itis destroyed, what He has done is right because He is the owner and operator of the Universe; and if the prophets, speaking under His direct impetus, call people whores or the spawn of demons, or monsters or fools, they are right because God's words are both true and saving: He is telling His creatures the exact truth as only He can, that His purposes may be fulfilled.

It is quite different with ordinary human beings. We would never, even if wwe thought we wre acting onm His behalf, be justified in annihilating an entire citry together with its inhabitants, nor in wiping out all life on earth; nor even in speaking words of utter rejection which sends a soul to hell.

Jesus dealt with all this, quite specifically, to His disciples. When they wanted (in Luke 9) to call down fire on a Samaritan town even as Elijah did(!), Jesus rounded on them angrily, and not only refused to do it, but rebuked them: "You know what manner of spirit you have: the Son of Man did not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them." Likewise the Lord said (Matthew 5:22):
But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca, ' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell."

And then again in James, "The wrath (or anger) of man does not accomplish the righteousness desired by God."

This is an infallibly wise teaching and also a solemn warning. God's anger is righteous and perfect, his fire holy and destructive, his rejection perfect and justified. But it is not for us to use this. We are not wise enough, truthful enough, or holy enough.

Multiple times (so many time it would take me an hour to look up and qute it all) we ar told to live in peace, to be patient, to bless, and specifically to bless our enemies.

This doesn't mean that Hagee can't say "the Catholics are in serious error." Let his say it. Let him prove it, if he can.

But don't call my Mother a whore.

192 posted on 03/02/2008 4:10:59 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (What does the LORD require of you, but to do justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Who is Brian McLaren? I hadn’t heard of him before.


205 posted on 03/02/2008 10:33:34 AM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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