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To: Dane

Reagan rallied behind Gerald Ford, fercryinoutloud.

I’m not thrilled at all about having to hold my nose and vote for McCain, and I fully expect him to lose, but he’s much better than Clinton or Obama. I’ll take a 60% conservative over a 0% conservative/100% Dhimmicrat (raving leftist).


4 posted on 02/28/2008 6:11:55 PM PST by Choose Ye This Day (Capitalism without failure is like religion without sin.)
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To: Choose Ye This Day

Seems to me that is playing right into the hands of the rinos.Did you ever think that the reason mcnutts is the front runner is because the rinos and the rnc want him to lose?.This election is about one thing AMNESTY.


8 posted on 02/28/2008 6:33:21 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: Choose Ye This Day
I think the distinction between supporting Nixon in 1972 and Ford in 1976, on the one hand, and McCain in 2008, on the other hand, is that we had Reagan for 8 years in the interim, and he PROVED, beyond a doubt, that conservatism is the way to go.

Conservatives didn't exist during the New Deal. It was created more or less by the intellectuals led by Bill Buckley (RIP) in the 1950s, and became a coherent and consistent set of beliefs, a philosophy of government. They had to fight a battle out on the wilderness of thought, scratching and clawing, gaining converts in small increments. But they had Reagan, and Reagan was the Great Convincer. He brought the party around, the voters, not the elites, and then he stormed into the White House, and then he proved that Conservatism had been right all those years.

What has happened since then? The counter-attack of the elites. They couldn't just dump Reaganism altogether right off the bat, they had to take it in stages. They made damn sure the process was set up such that they could have a great say in the result. Liberal, northern states starting out. Dems voting in GOP primaries. Always being nice to RINOs, even Specter, Chafee and Hagel.

So, Bush I starts right off saying he would give us a "kinder, gentler nation". Why not just turn and spit in Reagan's eye? Then they raised taxes. Perot, a Dem ploy, paid off and we got Clinton. Party elites responded with Bob Dole, who NEVER bought off on Reagan, fought him all the way. Bob Dole personally, by himself, killed the Gingrich revolution, when he caved on the "train wreck". He was a DC product, and it was killing him that the Government was shut down. He cut Newt's balls off, and forced the GOP to cave with that move. Then what happens? He gets rewarded with the nomination! He campaigned like he had made a deal to lose. Maybe he had.

Then we get Bush II, the "compassionate Conservatism" guy. What a joke! As if conservatism doesn't care about people. What he meant by compassion is our tax money going to stupid causes that perpetuate problems, from social welfare programs to foreign aid, to education. He campaigned for every RINO he could find, in each case undercutting the conservative alternative. He brings in guys like Martinez (who he made Senator in Fla. instead of the conservative) and pushes things like amnesty for illegals.

Where I differ with Michael Reagan is that after his father, the party's faithful were conservative and deserved conservative leadership. We have some moderates in the party, sure, and if a good one once in a while rose to the top on the strength of leadership qualities, we could take that. What I cannot countenance is that the "moderate" (read: liberal) wing controls everything in the party, and their motto is "the alternative is worse". We thought it was a conservative party with room for some people who are moderate on some things. Instead, it appears it is a liberal party, accepting the socialist premise of the Democrats, that barely tolerates US.

Well, I say, like Reagan did, that my party has left me. We showed it the way and it showed us the door. To stick around any longer would be to, in the manner of Huckabee, wear out our welcome.

9 posted on 02/28/2008 6:39:51 PM PST by Defiant (The new GOP: A slightly slower road to socialist authoritarianism. Hoorah!)
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To: Choose Ye This Day

“I’ll take a 60% conservative”

That certainly isn’t McCain.


15 posted on 02/28/2008 7:08:32 PM PST by Bull Market (I will not vote for John McCain. Hillary's my girl!)
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To: Choose Ye This Day
Exactly. Too many people forget this:

McCain: 82% lifetime American Conservative Union rating
Obama: 8% lifetime American Conservative Union rating
Hillary!: 9% lifetime American Conservative Union rating

"When I began entering into the give and take of legislative bargaining in Sacramento, a lot of the most radical conservatives who had supported me during the election didn't like it.

"Compromise" was a dirty word to them and they wouldn't face the fact that we couldn't get all of what we wanted today. They wanted all or nothing and they wanted it all at once. If you don't get it all, some said, don't take anything.

"I'd learned while negotiating union contracts that you seldom got everything you asked for. And I agreed with FDR, who said in 1933: 'I have no expectations of making a hit every time I come to bat. What I seek is the highest possible batting average.'

"If you got seventy-five or eighty percent of what you were asking for, I say, you take it and fight for the rest later, and that's what I told these radical conservatives who never got used to it.

President Ronald W. Reagan

I think I'll agree with Reagan - I'll take the 80% with McCain rather than hold out for the 100% that is NO WHERE TO BE SEEN, and end up with an 8% Obama. THAT is the Reagan position.

19 posted on 02/28/2008 8:29:58 PM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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