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To: strider44

Thanks for your post.

Do you people (not strider) who hate screaming kids in parking lots, stores, etc. realize that not all of them are brats being raised by loser permissive liberals?

Do you know that just maybe that child has autism and simply cannot yet control his temper, and his parents do not wish to drug his brain just so you don’t fuss? That maybe they try not to take him places but every once in a while cannot afford a sitter and really need groceries? That maybe they sat in the car for 15 minutes going over what to expect with him, but he still happened to lose his temper?

Oh, and if the child is between 2 and 5 years old, a tantrum every once in a while is developmentally appropriate, especially if the child is tired or coming down with a bug (which will only show itself the following day)? As a matter of fact, a toddler who NEVER stamps her foot in public, trying to assert her little will, most likely is in some way developmentally disabled. One of our little guys was quite slow to develop at first and I was secretly pleased by his first little tantrum (which I knew how to handle).

Please remember some of these things, childless people. It’s NOT always bad parenting. The example of the first child was all from personal experience, and countless people chose to come up to me and my screaming child to tell me that he was the worst-behaved child they’d ever met. As if that would cure his neurological disorder.


86 posted on 02/27/2008 8:44:44 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle

“Please remember some of these things, childless people. It’s NOT always bad parenting. The example of the first child was all from personal experience, and countless people chose to come up to me and my screaming child to tell me that he was the worst-behaved child they’d ever met. As if that would cure his neurological disorder.”

yes..people naturally like to assume the worst.
And if you tell those people about your son’s autism, they will either say to you that autism doesn’t really exist - that it is being used as an excuse for bad behavior - or that you shouldn’t be subjecting other people to your son’s autism.

as for how you will manage to get groceries without breaking the law by leaving him in the hot car?
tough luck lady - figure it out! /s


91 posted on 02/27/2008 8:50:53 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: Yaelle

But if you try to discipline the child, someone calls CPS.

It’s an unwinnable situation.


95 posted on 02/27/2008 8:56:31 AM PST by Politicalmom (Better a leftist Dem with energized GOP opposition, than a leftist "Republican" with no opposition.)
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To: Yaelle

Very well said.

I’m tryiny to talk my wife into another child, but the potential of another Iraq deployment is giving us pause. She doesn’t want to be alone with three children under 5 for another year+ It’s a tough situation.

In the meantime, I spend every waking moment when I’m not at work with my children. Yes, my hobbies like golf and SCUBA diving and long sessions at the gym have gone by the wayside. That’s the price you pay. My wife and I compromise as much as possible so she can attend Yoga classes a few hours a week and I can hit the gym for quick workouts. The problem is too many people can’t or won’t make these sacrifices. They just don’t get it. Your childhood is over, step up and be an adult and join the Human Race.

30% of your time with your toddlers is miserable. That’s life, but that’s how you “break your teeth” as a parent and turn your children into solid citizens. People that can’t, won’t or don’t want to do this baffle me. What if their parents had felt the same way?

Sometimes I weep for the future of this country.


106 posted on 02/27/2008 9:05:17 AM PST by strider44
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To: Yaelle
Please remember some of these things, childless people. It’s NOT always bad parenting.

I think most of us childless people understand this quite well. I myself don't usually get bent out of shape at when I first encounter a misbehaving child. I wait a bit to see how the child's parents react. If the parents are making a decent effort to deal with junior's behavior, I'm not really bothered. If the parents are ignoring the bad behavior or doing little to stop it (e.g. "Time out, Keighleigh, it's not nice to smash the pretty store display."), then I do get annoyed.

145 posted on 02/27/2008 9:40:13 AM PST by Huntress (“When you have to shoot, shoot, don’t talk.”--Tuco)
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To: Yaelle

I Know what you mean. Kids bring their own stuff to the table. That doesn’t mean that a lot of people don’t have some serious cultural handicaps when it comes to dealing with kids.

I am the oldest of 6 children, father of 4, youth soccer coach for 25 years and am currently a children’s pastor seeing 100 kids every weekend. I don’t know what to say. If I am alone responsible for my happiness and I am responsible for my happiness alone and there are no other moral imperatives than “If it feels good do it” and “If it hurts when you do that, don’t do that”, then radical personal autonomy is the only game in town.

If, however, there is something more...


172 posted on 02/27/2008 10:30:32 AM PST by Aloysius88 (I used to be the different drummer.)
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