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To: brwnsuga

Was Detective Shivers executing a no-knock entry?


3 posted on 02/26/2008 11:10:39 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Men fight well when they know that no prisoners will be taken.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Just read through the Pilot Online material. Sounds like the guy was in bed when he shot through his bedroom door at the detective. So, that'd mean the guy was already indoors.

Hmmm.

At the same time (according to the online matrial) this was a bad warrant based on information from a doper.

One interesting comment on the thread that sounded as self-assured and forthrightly honest as any I've seen here on anything said "No crook is going to break in the front door of a home at 8:30 PM ~ ". Of course we can all get a laugh at that since so many "home invasion" situations involve crooks breaking in while the family members are all still up and available to rape, or at least to get information from about where the valuables are located. Tearing through the cabinets to find this stuff is so hard doncha' know.

So, yeah, prime home breakin time and this single man is in the sack.

Yes, we must know more.

6 posted on 02/26/2008 11:25:50 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Was Detective Shivers executing a no-knock entry?

Yes. Additionally, no drugs were found.

8 posted on 02/26/2008 11:30:22 AM PST by Drew68
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
I’ll tell you, the “unreasonable search” part of the Constitution is difficult.

Is it unreasonable to make the police give suspected drug dealers ten minutes notice of a raid, allowing the suspected drug dealers time to flush any drugs down the toilet or grab their guns and get ready to shoot it out? Unreasonable, right?

Is is reasonable to give then 30 seconds warning? Probably, you can do a lot of mischief in 30 seconds, but if you disagree, what’s a reasonable amount of time? I’ll tell you that, if you knock on my door a 6:30 in the evening while I’m watching TV in my living room, it will take me about at least 15 seconds to open the front door. If I’m in the basement or upstairs, it’s going to take longer.

How about a child pornographer who you think is going to format their hard drive when the police ID themselves?

What about the times you aren’t worried about a suspect destroying evidence or arming themselves? Then the courts shouldn’t be issuing the no-knock warrants, but how many of these no-knock warrants get issued for non-drug searches?

At the same time, you have a couple of very different practices in how you dress the guys conducting no-knock warrants. Some places might have officers wearing street clothes and badges on chains around their neck, I don’t know for sure. I’ve seen guys on TV and even a city police department in my neck of the woods turn their forced entry teams out in woodland camouflage, sometimes even with subdued-color patches. (Urban police in woodland camo?)

I’ve seen other police departments where the word POLICE is printed in big contrasting-color print on the front and back of the entry team vests, and on a hand shield sometimes used by the first guy through the door. They go through the door yelling POLICE, and you can say you didn’t believe they were police, but you can’t say you didn’t have fair warning. In that case, what’s the difference between you not believing them when they knocked versus not believing them when they can in yelling?

(BTW, from a common sense standpoint, if four guys with guns rush in on you yelling POLICE, give up; because if they are lying, they are still going to win any fight you start).

11 posted on 02/26/2008 11:34:33 AM PST by NYFriend
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

That’s what it sounds like. Other questions this didn’t answer. Did the police have the right address? How many were there?


77 posted on 02/26/2008 6:06:06 PM PST by arthurus
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