What's wrong with Conservatives (Long vanity received in email and worth the time)

Email | 2-25-08 | Unknown

[Danae]

Well, I agree, and please don’t think I am a McCain supporter. To me this is more about what the state of the part is that has gotten us this dog’s dinner. It’s too late for 08. Now is the time to be thinking about the FUTURE and about how NOT to end up with this again.

[Danae]

beats voting to Obama

[EagleUSA]

There is NOTHING wrong with conservatives.

There is plenty wrong with pretenders.
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Exactly — REAL CONSERVATIES founded this country, established our values, wrote the D of I, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. And helped fight to give us our rights and freedoms and set up a system that supported those freedoms.

Yes, it is the PHONY conservatives, the hack RINOs who are more interested in personal power, than they are about America, that are our problem. Real conservatives are the only people that will SAVE this country from the damage of liberalism and socialism.

[ari-freedom]

Welcome to FR.

[El Gato]

There are only two possible causes for this, either there are not enough true conservatives to keep them afloat, or else the true conservatives are not all voting.

There is a third possibility, one closer to the actual situation, IMHO.

The early primaries are loaded towards the more liberal states. Thus, conservative candidates do not do well in them. They lose momentum and financial support. Conversely, since both parties hold most of their primaries or caucuses on the same dates, or only off by a week or two, this same effect drives the Democratic candidates leftward and/or eliminates any less than full socialists from the running early on.

I heard some speculation that this was deliberate, and done by Clinton Inc, mostly. But if so, it backfired on Hillary. She was no longer as desirable to the Yuppie/Yippie crowd by 2008, and those left leaning states went somewhat more towards Obama than towards her. The merely Pink Democrats fell by the wayside about as early as the conservative Republicans.

[levotb]

Not so, Danae!

And you didn’t have to take 10 long paragraphs to say what has been hashed and re-hased ad nauseum for a month, now—that Mr. “10% Of What Conservatives Supposedly Want” McAmnesty is better than “0%” with the Obamanation! Since you’re obviously not a conservative and most certainly not a conservative ideologue, you have no cause to criticize those true conservatives like me as somehow being “unpatriotic” by sitting this one out or voting third party.

Let me tell YOU something, Danae or whatever your name is! There WILL come a day when there’s a conservative third party on the ballot in EVERY state. Maybe it won’t happen in this election, but it will in coming years. Why? Because conservatives have “had it” with the left-leaning GOP that gave us Jorge Bush, John McCain, Trent “the rug” Lott, Newt “I destroyed my first wife” Gingrich and Haley “the blowhard” Barbour who along with Gingrich destroyed the Contract with America and forced NAFTA down our throats, costing a gazillion American jobs.

You go ahead and vote for your man McNasty. We’ll vote or not vote, as we wish. On the day after the November election, we’ll have one evil President to deal with again—just as we did Bush—and it will be a long four years. Maybe by 1011 we consevatives will get it together, maybe not.

But we’ll fight you RINO b**tards every inch of the way, and it won’t be pretty! If there’s one thing I’ve learned since becoming an Indy con to the right of Pat Buchanan, it is that NO party controls ME and never will! I’ll chose my issues and fight for my beliefs and if the GOP loses The White House, so be it. They’ve screwed conservatives long enough! It’s time they got a dose of their own medicine...

[ovrtaxt]

Here’s the problem with ‘conservatives’. Too many people are worried about what the rest of America is going to think in the general election. That’s not the purpose of a primary- A primary is where you back the guy who most accurately reflects your views, not where you back the guy by whom you think everyone else will be less offended.

Too much triangulation politics, not enough common sense.

Here’s another problem. Too many people who really don’t care if the government is bloated and expensive. Everybody’s got something to gain from some government agency. The control freaks have bought off the free citizens- for now.

Too much greed, not enough responsibility.

How about this- too many people who are afraid of freedom. Everyone wants some government employee to come along and wipe their butt.

Too much dependence, not enough independence.

So, the problem with conservatives isn’t conservatives. The problem lies with the ‘conservatives’ who are actually RINOs.

[FFranco]

What do we gain by accomodation and compromise? More McCains. Instead of just looking at victory at any cost in the next election, we should be planning and working for where the conservative movement is going in the future, beyond the next election.

If we accept any Republican candidate, no matter how liberally repulsive, we are nothing but the b*tch of the Republican Party, bending to THEIR will. What we want is to make them realize how necessary conservatives are to them; make them accomodate US, the True Conservatives.

[El Gato]

In 1941 we entered into a global war with not only with the nation that initially attacked us but also with every nation that was allied with it. The circumstances of that war dictated that the best strategy for overall success was not to concentrate first on the nation that actually attacked us, but rather on one of its allies (which nation, by the way, had never attacked us and had been saying previously that it had no quarrel with us).

But which did declare war on us, in observance of it's treaty obligations with the nation that we declared war on after it attacked us.

I've never seen any analysis of what motivated the Little Corporal to do that, he certainly had no problems breaking his own treaty with Joe Steel.

[familyop]

There are two main factions.

1. “Free trade” minority, libertine, opposed to moral laws, substituting witch hunts against families for morality and handing our manufacturing base to communist nations. Division propaganda and misrepresenting candidates come from this prevailing faction.

2. “Fair trade,” moral majority, ignorant, avoiding evidence and clambering for politicians whose “free trade” and anti-family voting records disagree with their rhetoric.

Both are ignoring our defense in face of a monstrous, building enemy coalition. When Iran—the keystone of that enemy coalition—has its minimum desired number of nuclear weapons, she’ll probably launch on western Europe instead of Israel. They want the West, and our leadership (constituencies—not politicians) is handing it to them.

We’re spoiled rotten.

[LibLieSlayer]

“In all of these Primaries, however, these true conservative candidates were eliminated early on from the competition. There are only two possible causes for this, either there are not enough true conservatives to keep them afloat, or else the true conservatives are not all voting. Regardless, it is not the fault of the Republican Party or its leadership that a true conservative is not the nominee, and true conservatives sitting out an election will not make any changes in the Party or its potential candidates the next time around.”

The Republican Party carefully planned and executed a primary system that allowed dims and independents to vote in OUR primaries in overwhelming numbers. Case in point... Florida... a State where mcnasty won by 5 or 6%... yet 25% of his vote came from self declared independents and 5% came from cross over dims. Conservatives were outnumbered in the first four primaries by moderate Republicans, dims and indies... and by Florida’s primary... mcnasty had won. I do not even get a primary vote until March 4th. Since your first premise is so wrong the rest of your post is of little relevance to me.

LLS

[El Gato]

Has nothing to do with McCain, we could be talking about ANY of the last batch of GOP contenders

True, but only to a certain degree. McCain represents the continuance of not just an occurrence, but of a trend. He's much farther from being a conservative, on more issues, than Bob Dole or either Bush.

[RedStateRocker]

” I never had any illusions about the extent of George W’s conservatism, but in retrospect I believe that he will go down in history as one of America’s greatest presidents. His actions to keep this country safe from terrorism, rescue the economy, and fix Social Security have been exactly what has needed to be done, and have only failed to the extent that those who oppose every good thing that he stands for have been successful in stopping them.”

I stopped reading right there.
Halfway decent job of trying to ward of Islamism while opening the borders to the Reconquista; no thanks. GWB is not, and never was fit to carry the used gym towel of a REAL conservative like Goldwater. I am ashamed to have had him as our president and have been from the instant he said he would sign another ‘assault weapon’ ban.

The writer of that email is a misinformed moron, to put it gently.

[mysterio]

There’s nothing wrong with conservatives. I plan on finding several to vote for in the various races.

[Digital Sniper]

Thanks. I recall that we crossed paths earlier.

[Digital Sniper]

Halfway decent job of trying to ward of Islamism while opening the borders to the Reconquista; no thanks. GWB is not, and never was fit to carry the used gym towel of a REAL conservative like Goldwater.

Agreed. There is no lasting victory on any front when our side sells out our nation's sovereignty to the corrupt government of Mexico and it's rampant lawlessness.

[Man50D]

What’s wrong with Republicans that they think it is necessary to constantly appease the Socialist left to expand the GOP voting base at the expense of Conservatism and then blame it on Conservatives all in the name of so called compromise, “bipartisanship” and “compassionate conservatism"? The irony is the Socialist Democrats never sacrifice their beliefs. The result is the GOP aligning its ideology with the Socialist Democrats to the point where they are essentially one party. Supporting another party would restore the two party system.

[El Gato]

yada, yada, yada...Go vote for McCain.

Maybe, but only after I've voted against him first. John Kerry can be against and then for, and so can Texans (if they have strong stomachs and weak noses), Ohioans, and others whose primary votes are now worth about as much as the Vice Presidency has been historically.

[Madame Dufarge]

Total agreement bump.

[Danae]

Sorry, but I don’t follow you there.... Danae is the only name I have ever posted here as. Been here a while as well.