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1 posted on 02/25/2008 8:38:37 AM PST by kiriath_jearim
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four-tenths of a mile away.

Oh come now - that's not hard at all with what's in the closets of 1/4th of all Americans. Admittedly not a trivial shot, but easily & reliably achieved with a couple days' practice with a common bolt-action scoped '30-06 or .308!

129 posted on 02/25/2008 10:30:05 AM PST by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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It argued that the weapon hasn't ever been used in a crime in the islands.

"We haven't had any incidents of robbers at banks or terrorist shooting airplanes -- it just doesn't happen," HRA member Mark Plischke said.

But police said they don't want to wait until then.

Quick! We must outlaw all chemistry classes! People can learn to make explosives in them! What a nightmare! Never mind that people AREN'T using their basic knowledge of chemistry to make explosives! We don't want to wait until someone DOES!

Other BEM (Booger Eating Moron) remarks by the PD... That these rifles are capable of accurately hitting a target 4/10 of a mile away... That would be 704 yards... I would hate to inform them that there are LOTS of rifles that can accurately hit a target 700+ yards away... Should all of them be banned? And what about those calibers that are still dangerous at ranges like that and beyond? I seem to recall reading a .22LR box that warned the rounds were dangerous out to 1.5 miles... More than 3 times the distance that this BEM is having nightmares over.

Finally, yes... The .50BMG is used as an anti-aircraft weapon... When fired from an M-2 machine gun. The odds of hitting a flying airplane with a 4' long, 30 pound semi-auto rifle would be on order of miraculous. Sheer idiocy. But what else should we expect. They need to demonize one firearm just to get their nose in the tent.

Mark

139 posted on 02/25/2008 10:39:34 AM PST by MarkL
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Who can shoot down a plane 4 miles away with a .50 caliber, I mean aside from Chuck Norris?


147 posted on 02/25/2008 10:46:09 AM PST by lowbridge ("I can't wait to see what he stands for." - Susan Sarandon on her support of Barack Obama)
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"It does concern us -- shooting down airplanes four miles distances," Hawaii National Guard Gen.Gary Ishikawa said.

Somebody needs to investigate this so called general's qualifications. He's either grossly misinformed, or a really bad liar...

It seems that the "effective distance" of an M-2 machine gun is roughly 2000 meters. The maximum range is stated to be 6765m, or about 4 miles. But you won't be hitting anything at that range.... The maximum effective range is said to be roughly a mile and a quarter.

Mark

152 posted on 02/25/2008 10:48:39 AM PST by MarkL
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There is nothing we have that can withstand this. If you look at an armored car, those things have a half-inch of steel. These can go through 1 inch of steel at a thousand yards," HPD Major Gregory Lefcourt said.

I always know that they're worried about my safety when their first concern is an attack on armored cars and limos.

193 posted on 02/25/2008 11:44:16 AM PST by RJL
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How many felony crimes have ever been committed with a .50 in the USA?

The short answer is none.

216 posted on 02/25/2008 12:18:48 PM PST by PeterFinn (I am not voting for McCain. No way, no how.)
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Having picked on soldierdad and having seen him recant. I'll recant the picking too and move on. it's now time to change the thrust.

There are 125 registered owners of the high-powered rifle in the state, with 90 owners living on Oahu.

Wonder what will happen to these registered owners if the rifles are banned?

224 posted on 02/25/2008 12:26:58 PM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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Excellent post#45 on this thread.
239 posted on 02/25/2008 12:44:27 PM PST by samtheman
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"The rifle is only allowed at military ranges, which are off limits to civilians."

Wrong again. The military ranges at Atterbury here in Indiana routinely open the KD range to civilian competition. The National Muzzle Loading Rifle Association has a yearly long range competition held on ARFTA's 1K berm. Ft. Sill also allowed it and I think Ft. Cambell does to.

308 posted on 02/25/2008 2:38:02 PM PST by M.K. Borders (Be Brave, Be Free. Burn the Card!)
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The National Guard calls the weapon a threat to homeland security.

No, this weapon strengthens homeland security.
334 posted on 02/25/2008 5:42:52 PM PST by monkeycard (There is no such thing as too much ammo.)
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Not only do I own .50’s I have built them too. These idiots don’t know what they are talking about and don’t have the knowledge or understanding of firearms to make the statements that they are making. They are not qualified to pass legislation in this field and should not do it unless and until they have a thorough education in firearms and firearm technology.

With this stupidity, I’ll be adding Hawaii to my company’s “DO NOT SELL” list. If they are that stupid on firearms, they definitely have no legitimate need for anything we sell.

Mike


347 posted on 02/25/2008 6:35:24 PM PST by BCR #226 (The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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It's a weapon that's long been used by the military and law enforcement, but in most states, a person can buy it over the Internet

They lie. Sure you can buy it over the Internet, but you still must have it shipped to a local licensed federal firearms dealers. That dealer will then obtain whatever unconstitutional permission is required, at minimum the federal instant background check. Then, and only then, can you get the rifle. Legally that is. Criminals and terrorists are unlikely to risk the check, because unlike law abiding citizens, they DO have something to hide.

393 posted on 02/26/2008 6:43:51 AM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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They said that a shot fired from the rooftop at police headquarters could precisely hit a target at the state Capitol, four-tenths of a mile away.

.4 miles is 700 yards. You can do that with a 30-06 and a decent scope. Never mind some more energetic, but still common, hunting rounds, even just one step up to .300 Winchester Magnum will leave plenty of energy at 700 yards.

The National Guard calls the weapon a threat to homeland security.

"It does concern us -- shooting down airplanes four miles distances," Hawaii National Guard Gen.Gary Ishikawa said.

Brig. Gen. Isikawa is a political appointee. As the Deputy AG, he'll want to be AG some day. While the current governor is a B rated Republican, she's term limited out in 2010, and is only the second Republican (the first was the first governor in 1962) to hold the office. Chances are she'll be replaced by a typical gun grabbing Democrat, and he wouldn't want to hurt his prospects for moving up to the top job.

Also, he's an idiot if he thinks you can shoot down a moving airplane with a one shot per trigger pull (and some are one shot, period!) semi-auto or bolt action rifle from 4 miles away. It's hard enough with Ma Duece. Even fighter plane used 4 to 6 fully auto .50 calibers, and they didn't engage from 4, not even bomber sized aircraft.

Then there is the small matter of his oath to support and defend the Constitutions of the United States and of the State of Hawaii. The latter reads, just like the federal second amendment:

“A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” Article 1, Section 15.

395 posted on 02/26/2008 7:14:51 AM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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