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Creation: ‘where’s the proof?’
answersingenesis ^ | Ken Ham

Posted on 02/24/2008 4:18:12 PM PST by no nau

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To: Charles Bronson Forever

Can’t prove a negative you lose.


281 posted on 02/25/2008 4:01:29 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (John McCain - The Manchurian Candidate? http://www.usvetdsp.com/manchuan.htm)
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To: mad_as_he$$

Interesting.

It appears that you would then criticise metmom, but you didn’t say so. I wonder why.

I will condemn people who cause unprovoked, deliberate harm to others.


282 posted on 02/25/2008 4:18:40 PM PST by From many - one.
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To: From many - one.

You may infer to much. My statement stands as posted. All can judge, none can condemn. Easy. More “Christians” should try it.


283 posted on 02/25/2008 4:30:53 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (John McCain - The Manchurian Candidate? http://www.usvetdsp.com/manchuan.htm)
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To: From many - one.

You may infer to much. My statement stands as posted. All can judge, none can condemn. Easy. More “Christians” should try it.


284 posted on 02/25/2008 4:30:53 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (John McCain - The Manchurian Candidate? http://www.usvetdsp.com/manchuan.htm)
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To: Captain Pike
If there were a God, then He would be powerful enough to communicate the same message

God is never the problem. He has/is communicated through His Word and It is powerful - Jesus is The Living Word! It's man and man-made religions - along w/'man's' thinking. It's not about religion - it's about The Kingdom of God.
285 posted on 02/25/2008 4:40:06 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: mad_as_he$$

I may be using the word condemn more loosely than is appropriate on a religion thread.

It is the acts of the people that I am referring to, not sending anyone to hell, which is definitely not in my job description.


286 posted on 02/25/2008 4:56:09 PM PST by From many - one.
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To: atlaw
If these laws remain true, why aren't we required to live by them? Because they aren't "as true" today?

They're just as true today. Just don't confuse regulations about living for the benefit of the health and safety of the people and animals with the moral law.

The Law was put in place to show us God's standards and that we fall short of them. They were never issued so that by following them, we could *earn* salvation. We aren't required to live by them because salvation is through faith, not the works of the Law.

Galatians 3: 10-13 All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith." The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them." Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."

Gal 3:24 & 25 So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.

Many of those laws were put into place to protect the people. Sowing fields with two kinds of grain, for example, could result in hybrids which could be infertile. The people could starve if they didn't get a crop. I don't recall any laws about cattle breeding, although oxen were not to be unequally yoked with other animals to prevent animal cruelty.

Beats me why linen and wool shouldn't be mixed.

287 posted on 02/25/2008 5:02:06 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: no nau
These two people are arguing about the same evidence, but they are looking at the evidence through different glasses.

There ya go.

ALL people have a 'belief' about something. Variuos things in their lives have influenced them in oneway or another.

Sadly, most will use what they 'believe' (not know) to determine how they 'understand' the data; rather than having the data form a 'belief' about something.

It IS one of the hardest things to overcome.

288 posted on 02/25/2008 5:09:19 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Brilliant
Christianity is based on faith, not proof.

Science is based on evidence, not faith.

They are completely different disciplines.


Christianity is based on evidence as well. There is PLENTY of it available. SOME of the things of Christianity IS based on faith, but not all.

Science is based on evidence, not faith.

Many things in 'science' IS taken on faith, for there is NO WAY to test what is believed to have happened.

289 posted on 02/25/2008 5:12:18 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: mad_as_he$$

Bullchips.
Prove I’m wrong. Can’t.
And I can’t prove your wrong.
so we’re even


290 posted on 02/25/2008 5:42:20 PM PST by Charles Bronson Forever
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To: uncbob

3) creation (duh) has a creator

who created him

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Before evidence for the big bang theory forced atheists to concede that the universe had a beginning, they ran around claiming that the universe:

1) always existed
2) didn’t need a creator

For an atheist to claim that God needs a cause and a beginning, would be intellectual hypocrisy. It was good enough for atheists that the universe was uncaused and eternal before the evidence forced them to conclude otherwise.

But for Christians to continue to claim as they have for thousands of years that God is uncaused and eternal ...

Listen friend. I just hope you realize the God is love, but he is also the “habitation of justice”. He must punish sin. Even one lie, one item stolen no matter the value, one woman lusted after, and He must punish with eternal damnation, UNLESS you trust Jesus Christ, who took your punishment for you. Christ takes your sin, you take Christ’s righteousness.


291 posted on 02/25/2008 6:05:10 PM PST by ROTB (Front Runner=rich guy who doesn't hate evil and strives to offend no one, & WILL SELL YOU OUT.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

All you need, are eyes that see, and a brain that works to know that 1-3 are true.

Yet you didn’t see it...because you weren’t there...and I assume it isn’t going on today. So how do you know the creationism story is true?

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Because only the Bible says what happens thousands of years before it happens. Please see http://www.direct.ca/trinity/y3nf.html

Listen friend. I just hope you realize the God is love, but he is also the “habitation of justice”. He must punish sin. Even one lie, one item stolen no matter the value, one person lusted after who isn’t an opposite sex spouse, and He must punish with eternal damnation, UNLESS you trust Jesus Christ, who took your punishment for you. Christ takes your sin, you take Christ’s righteousness.


292 posted on 02/25/2008 6:08:37 PM PST by ROTB (Front Runner=rich guy who doesn't hate evil and strives to offend no one, & WILL SELL YOU OUT.)
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To: ROTB
Listen friend. I just hope you realize the God is love, but he is also the “habitation of justice”. He must punish sin. Even one lie, one item stolen no matter the value, one woman lusted after, and He must punish with eternal damnation, UNLESS you trust Jesus Christ, who took your punishment for you. Christ takes your sin, you take Christ’s righteousness.

Please explain how a perfect being MUST do anything like punish

Who created that law that binds a supreme being so that he has to do anything

Talk about a contradiction

Sorry my friend but you are attributing human qualities punish etc etc to a so called supreme being

You see they only exist in your PETTY human mind --
You have some nerve telling a supreme being HE HAS TO DO ANYTHING
293 posted on 02/25/2008 6:25:52 PM PST by uncbob (m first)
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To: uncbob; ROTB

God has told us that He is going to punish sin.

What He says He will do, He does.

Someone relaying the message is not telling God what to do.


294 posted on 02/25/2008 7:05:54 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: smug

Follow the link.


295 posted on 02/25/2008 7:06:33 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: humblegunner; TheBattman
Why is it that when people cannot carry on an intelligent and well thought argument or debate, they have a tendency to resort to childish insults?>

I don't know, you tell me.

I was unaware I had insulted anyone.

Gee Humble. You're enjoying the party, having a good time, and someone has to get into a "snit."

So how's everything going? Have you blown up any stuff lately?

296 posted on 02/25/2008 7:13:44 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: metmom
Someone relaying the message is not telling God what to do.

He said MUST
297 posted on 02/25/2008 7:19:56 PM PST by uncbob (m first)
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To: crghill

PFLR

What’s that?


298 posted on 02/25/2008 7:25:07 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: uncbob; ROTB

Because God Himself said He’d do it, it will and must happen because God cannot lie.

God is a just God. He cannot deny Himself and not punishing sin would be doing that. So He MUST but not in the sense that someone is telling Him what to do. Otherwise, He’d be denying Himself, His very nature.


299 posted on 02/25/2008 7:29:09 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
God is a just God. He cannot deny Himself and not punishing sin would be doing that. So He MUST but not in the sense that someone is telling Him what to do. Otherwise, He’d be denying Himself,

Where did that rule come from " God can't deny himself "

Supreme being create that rule that he can't deny himself

ain't very supreme then is he
300 posted on 02/25/2008 7:37:52 PM PST by uncbob (m first)
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