Posted on 02/24/2008 4:18:12 PM PST by no nau
Truth can’t change. Then it would cease to be true.
sure.... but evidence is not the same as proof.
And the disciples had both.
They had the miracles, the teaching, the empty tomb, they saw and observed the physical evidence.
They also had the physical, resurrected, living Jesus appear to them and allow them to touch Him and put their hands in His wounds. You can’t get much more proof than that.
But our understanding of truth does change.
I don't know, you tell me.
I was unaware I had insulted anyone.
I have doubts about that
True, I'm among the last of a vanishing breed around these parts. Most other scientists have either been banned or left in disgust.
Want to know why? Just read this thread. But I guess its better than most such threads; we haven't yet been compared to Hitler and the nazis, and I don't recall seeing someone condemning scientists to hell. But the thread is still young!
Why should people look at religion with a skeptical eye for not changing? If it is the truth, then it shouldn't change. As a matter of fact, I couldn't imagine any one in their right minds wanting it to change so the skepticism is unwarranted.
If it isn't truth and does change, then it's no different than science. Yet when people are skeptical of science, they're criticized for that.
So what's the conclusion then? Do we accept and applaud something that changes and condemn something that doesn't for those reasons alone? Is one position superior to the other?
The thing that changes is never right and cannot be presumed to be right the next time. The thing that doesn't change may not be right, but then again it might be and you wouldn't want something that's true to change. Then it wouldn't be true any more.
Yes, I see. I’m sorry and thank you.
Nor have Christians been compared to muslims or Hitler, nor called cretards or IDiots, .... yet.
The evos have no high horse to preach from. They’re guilty of the same kind of behavior you’re condemning in creationists.
I suppose taht as a moderator over at DC, you keep a tight rein on that kind of unseemly behavior and don’t allow it to happen. Right? Right?
Well if you take the way the Fundamentalists think the way the bookings will be made.
Hell gets people like Voltaire, Thomas Jefferson, Mark Twain
Heaven gets people like... well, Ken Ham.
And Mother Theresa, Ronald Reagan, John Paul II, Billy Graham,.. to name a few others.
Perhaps you could point to other non-believers of that caliber.
This may be why:
The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. ~ 1 Corinthians 2:14
marinamuffy
PS - I felt the same way through my teens & early 20's. Thankfully the Lord opened my heart to His love and grace. It's like reading a whole new book since then.
I can tell you from close personal experience that only a handful of people in 1980 believed that Pentium style processors could be built by 1986 - I was one. We did it and the rest is history. Conventional wisdom said it could not be done with the technology available. Did the semiconductor community ignore it because it happened - no they used the information and built on it. I see things like the Dead Sea scrolls to be key to a better understanding of religious positions - many churches consider them irrelevant at best and heresy at worst. Everything historical is data. Data is data some is good some is bad. Some supports the argument and some does not - whatever it is. I do not "believe" in science. Science is a tool to use in exploring the world and our universe. Is it always right - No, but neither is religion.
“It’s certainly a good thing that the moon has never been closer than it is now, and it’s certainly comforting to know it is not getting further away.”
:-)
No party/company there. They (all) are separated in hell yet, will be able to see heaven.
Remember the rich man who had it all on earth, yet, when he died he went to hell and looked up and saw Lazarus in heaven. Lazarus was the the poor beggar, who sat outside the rich man’s gate on earth and was given crumbs from him.
He asked if Lazarus would warn his brothers (on earth) and, then asked, if Lazarus would just give him one drop of water for his tongue. He was told, if they/brothers don’t believe The Word of God, they won’t believe Lazarus. (Isn’t that what we see here? If they don’t believe what God has already spoken, or not even believe in The Creator - nothing we say will change them.)
Lucifer was cast down for his pride - wanted to be like God. Likewise, it’s pride in one’s ‘own’ belief - the NEED to be right. They consider what they see and understand with their natural senses to be true vs. God’s Word. They use natural intelligence as their god, their truth vs. the Supernatural God’s Truth. That’s pride. There is good reason why God told us how/why Lucifer was cast out. God tells us about the Pharisee’s and how they stood on The Law and told Jesus He was wrong! They, too, were prideful and thus UNTEACHABLE.
Those with the robes and studied men, those in prominence do hold their ‘own’ knowledge is high esteem. Their stance: “I have studied, I have seen, I have touched, this theory works, blah, blah - all in the natural”! They CAN’T get past ‘themselves’. A true demonstration of pride.
It’s also comforting to know that earth’s orbit around the sun is not elliptical and the distance from the sun doesn’t vary by millions of miles.
I stand in awe of Freeper science.
I am pleased for you that God has given you the right and responsibility to determine who will be in hell. Guess he is also on the outsourcing train.
Only, it's too transparent to work.
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