I think that the argument that “we have posted......in the past, so...” should be given little weight. The reality is that FR and we, the posters on FR have become more mature over the years.
There are apparently millions of people (not on FR) who are planning to vote for either Obama or Hillary with no objective, determinable reason. One reason for that situation is that it is easy. Voting without thinking means that one does not need to think about the CONSEQUENCES of their vote. This is the way of children, not of responsible adults.
Assuming that this current election season continues as it has, Freepers will be faced with no “good,” or “easy,” or “pleasant,” choice in November. If we are to choose as responsible adults, this kind of story will have no value. OTOH, we should know ABOUT it, and whether it is determined to be a Clinton campaign trick, to help us realize the consequences of whether, and/or for whom, we vote in November.
DG
Unless we want to look like Dan Rather and Viveca Novak, we probably should wait. I would like to hold all the ammunition against Obama until has dispateched The Beast.
IMHO, let’s not go there...
I watched the YouTube and read his letter. It is incredibly disgusting. I don’t know but would suspect that a surrogate of Hillary is behind this so that she doesn’t get her hands dirty.
“If we’re going to discuss this topic we should at least ask for more proof.”
In my opinion it is reasonable to delete any pornographic postings, but not to ban discussion of a controversial allegation against a leading Presidential candidate.
The credibility of the witness and the nature of any corroboration is the subject of discussion. It is unreasonable to require “proof” before allowing discussion, because it is only through discussion and argument that any proposed “proof” can be evaluated. That is the basis of our entire legal system.
In my opinion to ban discussion of this subject would be to bestow a gratuitous gift on the Democratic Party and the Obama campaign.
I thought it was a joke a kind of parody. IMHO freepers can be quite entertaining.
I believe that until Obama’s former lover Larry Sinclair passes his lie detector test, new threads should only be started if there is important breaking news about the scandal. Otherwise, let it percolate around the net on other sites.
The whole thing could be a setup by the Obama camp itself, a la Kerry’s “intern scandal” (remember Alexandra Polier?). It’s an old trick - - send your enemies off on a feeding frenzy that you know you can thoroughly blow up at exactly the right time, and end up immunizing yourself from future scandals. “Oh sheesh, when will my opponent stop trying to smear me with these frivolous allegations?”
Until there is credible corroboration, it would be best to steer clear.
That said, I sure hope it pans out.
My 2 cents,
LH
I don’t see why it should not be posted, with appropriate warnings for graphic language or images. But like anything, there should not be multiple “breaking news” threads or threads essentially repeating the same thing.
The reason I say “why not” is because, until now, I had not heard anything about this story. FR is, imo, the place where one should be able to find this kind of a story. It revealed - or at least cataloged - a whole slew of information about other politicians... Obama should not be immune.
If you pulled every future thread about this, there are probably thousands of others who never would have heard about. As I said I only discovered this story via this thread asking if it is freeworthy. I say it is but leave it to the owners or their proxy to decide.
If it were a Republican as the target these links would be on the NY Times website. As long as they don’t link to porn, go for it.
Like it or not, it’s news.
If the Dinosaur Media is dying and FR is the new media, then it is the RESPONSIBILITY of we the people, being the foundation of this new media, to hold our collective noses, wade into the muck, and discern the truth.
Even if it were true, nobody’s going to believe it anyway, and it just makes the people saying it appear to be less credible.
Until there is more evidence than the rantings of Sinclair, I won’t publish anything about this guy’s claim in The Obama File.
Should the chauffeur show up and substantiate his claim or he passes WhiteHouse.com’s lie detector test or there is a finding in his lawsuit, I consider this guy and his story off limits.
It doesn’t matter if it is true or not. This will bubble up by its self if it is, but we should leave it to others to deal with. The guy is in court,let’s see where that goes.
That's not the point, though. More proof, otherwise it might be a trap.
If it's coming from the Klinton campaign let their buddies in the MSM run with it.
It is outrageous to call Barack Obama a depraved bi-sexual crackhead and I won’t stand for anyone mentioning it!
Text: "I think that most intelligent people have learned that the Muslim claims are false. But as to the Sinclair argument, as seen in the above sign, is simply an ipse dixit argument. Ipse dixit has been defined as: "An unsupported assertion, usually by a person of standing; a dictum." I use this Latin term to describe those who believe Ron Paul is leading the Obama attacks, because they lack real proof of their assertions. One example is that I, who am not a Ron Paul supporter, also carried the Sinclair allegations. As to Sinclair's voracity for the truth, I have simply put the information out and will leave up to the reader to decide whether or not he is believable."
Don’t post any more about this. The Clintons are betting that our curiosity will get the better of us. The more this is brought up, the more it sticks. What if it isn’t true? There is a good posibility it isn’t. They just put this up to back off any last minute “Monica” or “Anita” stories.
Because something seems wild doesn't mean it's not true. I don't put anything past any politician.
Just because WND is one of only two media outlets to cover this story does not mean it is not a biggie. It is all over the blogosphere. The MSM is terrified that their empty suited savior is really a bisexual crackhead.
That is why as we speak there are investigations trying to discredit Sinclair, but none that are trying to discredit Obama. If this were a republican, it would be headline news on every single MSM outlet after the guy agreed to the lie detector test and they would be scouring the streets of illinois looking for other drug/sex partners.