McCain? No Way!

Gun Owners of America ^ | Feb 15, 2008 | Sen. HL "Bill" Richardson (ret.)

[Huck]

There's a difference between saying "I'd rather have X than Y" and saying "I want X".

It's a distinction without a difference. If you have two choices (X or Y), and you'd rather have Y, then you want Y to prevail. It's not that tough. It doesn't mean you love Y, you worship Y, but you prefer Y to X. And so, those who want McCain to lose want OBAMA to win. Inescapable. That's why they are going so nuts. They're cornered and can't deal with it.

It may well be that, given the option of having neither X nor Y, one would opt for that.

And if the queen had balls, she'd be king, but it's NOT an option and is therefore pointless to discuss.

If I could somehow spend $10,000 and make Fred Thompson be President of the U.S., I would. I'd even be willing to spend that for Romney if the alternative was one of the current three. But if I had to spend $0.10 to choose the winner among McCain, Hillary, and Obama, I'd probably keep my dime.

I wouldn't spend a dime on any of them. Least of all that sad sack Thompson. He's part of the reason we're in this mess.

[Mojave]

For all his many faults, McCain is still a fiscal conservative...

In a Karl Marx kinda way.

“I don’t think the governor’s tax cut is too big—it’s just misplaced. Sixty percent of the benefits from his tax cuts go to the wealthiest 10% of Americans—and that’s not the kind of tax relief that Americans need. … Gov. Bush wants to spend the entire surplus on tax cuts. I don’t believe the wealthiest 10% of Americans should get 60% of the tax breaks. I think the lowest 10% should get the breaks." --John McCain

[TigersEye]

Ok, so you don't care who wins.

Exactly!!! As long as I'm not giving support to any enemy of the Republic my vote can be counted as being for who/what I do support. Conservatives are not going to win the WH this time. A far left liberal or a maverick who embraces far left liberal policies is (not a prayer he will). That is the reality. Now to do what I need to do to prepare for it.

[JasonC]

That you wouldn't know logic if it bit you?

[Mojave]

The George Soros sponsored ticket!!!

Soros didn't support one or the other. He bought 'em both.

[Huck]

I don't want a Dem to win. I don't want McCain to win either.

And there's the rub. Those are the choices. I hope sooner or later folks come to grips with that.

But it would be true to say I think it would be better, given that choice, if the Dem won.

See, another one finally admits they prefer Obama or Hillary over McCain. It's like pulling teeth, but eventually it comes out.

But I won't vote for either.

Of course not. Better to let others do the dirty work for you, to preserve your feelings. I wonder what you'll do if it looks close. I wonder if you'd have the courage of your convictions. See, if you REALLY believe you are better off with a DEM, you'd vote that way. But you won't vote that way, because you don't really believe it. You just hate both of them and are going to sit it out because you can't deal with choosing.

I consider my vote to be for whom it is cast never against anyone. That is the truth of it.

Well bully for you. I consider voting to be much more practical than that. I vote for the best available choice. Simple, easy.

[nicmarlo]

...It IS predictable that we're going to suffer a crushing loss in November of 2008. It could possibly be averted, but not with cowards willing to vote for another "best of the worst".

The sad and simple fact is that there are too many who will NOT vote for another "best of the worst", and especially not a RINO this time. We've hit our "limit" and have switched into act mode....

Good post; exactly as I see it, as well. Well, they're just so used to conservatives "going along to get along" or "picking between two evils" that they are honestly dismayed and in a terror that we've drawn a line in the sand. We're done. No more RINOs. No more CINOs. Finished.

[JasonC]

Yes, you did, because of a homepage quote about peace to all nations. But good, again. Now, is Iran at present one of those enemies, though somewhat undeclared as to open warfare?

[CharacterCounts]

You are correct. The very fact we are even having this debate signifies the upcoming defeat for the GOP.

We are going to get screwed by Obama or McCain.

When Obama does it to conservatives it will be akin to rape. When McCain does it to his bots, it will be akin to him visiting a prostitute.

[Huck]

As long as I'm not giving support to any enemy of the Republic my vote can be counted as being for who/what I do support.

Have you ever voted third party for president before?

[nicmarlo]

If you have such venom for conservatism, what are you doing on FR?

That's a good question, indeed!

[hiredhand]

Well, they could lay out an explicit and specific conservative agenda that they promise to follow.

They won't. And when they lose, they'll try to blame others for their failure. It's the liberal way.

Good point...liberals do NOT take responsibility for anything, and they're already blaming us for what's coming in November. :-) Ah well...let them blame! I'm not bothered now, and I certainly will have no regrets then!

[JasonC]

RINOs are people who aren't real republicans, like, you know, those who pretend to support the party but then don't actually vote for it. You know, the hissy-fit position. Those are the real RINOs. Actual Rs actually vote R in November.

[Mojave]

If you have such venom for conservatism, what are you doing on FR?

Promoting McCain.

[nicmarlo]

Actual “R”s aren’t liberal democrats with an “R” after their name, like McRino.

[Mojave]

Good point...liberals do NOT take responsibility for anything, and they're already blaming us for what's coming in November. :-)

They're very predictable. Their candidate loses; it's everyone else's fault.

[hiredhand]

We're done. No more RINOs. No more CINOs. Finished.

Exactly. I think it IS causing terror among them. We're seeing it now. The fear in what they say about us is OBVIOUS. We're not moving though.

They can bitch, whine, and complain, and it's not going to change anything.

[TigersEye]

There was Hunter, who was pretty conservative, but had no money, no name recognition, and got written off BY THE GRASS ROOTS early on. No one told ppl what to do about it. They calculated that he wasn't a winner. End of story.

Exactly. The party elite let the MSM hatchet Hunter. The ppl you are talking about are the crossover voters in big blue states. Quite the Republican mandate wouldn't you say?

[JasonC]

I don't have venom for conservatism, what with being a conservative and all. I do however have some snide to spare for the hissy fit position and those who advocate it. Who aren't conservatives, incidentally. They are "in name only", fair weather birds, who wouldn't know a duty it it bit them. Those, I'd just as soon left politics altogether to take up knitting, and leave it to the grown ups.

[calcowgirl]

For all his many faults, McCain is still a fiscal conservative...

Excuse me? Have you read his global warming plan? How many billion was it going to cost for his little Shamnesty deal? McCain is CLUELESS when it comes to economics.

Amnesty Will Cost US Taxpayers some $2.6 Trillion (What John McCain Supports)