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McCain? No Way!
Gun Owners of America ^ | Feb 15, 2008 | Sen. HL "Bill" Richardson (ret.)

Posted on 02/17/2008 10:20:04 AM PST by calcowgirl

www.gunowners.org/op0808.htm

McCain? No Way!
by Sen. HL "Bill" Richardson (ret.)
Chairman of the Board, GOA

Americans are being told by the mainstream media that conservatives have no other choice than to back the hypocrite from Arizona. All that is required is to pretend he is "really" a conservative. "So, crawl under the big Republican tent and vote for McCain," we are told. "Besides, what other choice do you have?"

We have plenty of choices, none of which calls for casting our vote for the lesser of two presidential evils.

First, the Republican race isn't over. Huckabee is still around and as Kansas and Louisiana should point out, the Romney vote flocked to Huckabee. Not that they loved Huckabee, but that they have zero trust in the promises of McCain. Even if Huckabee loses, what makes anyone think conservatives will vote for McCain?

Don't you liberals get it? The republican conservative believes McCain would be a vindictive president. He's proven his dislike for conservatives and would gut us at every opportunity.

Why do I say that? Because of three decades of experience as a Republican California Senator and a fifty year activist in the conservative movement. I have first hand, in-their-face experience with elitist RINO's (Republican in Name Only) office holders. They are biblically ignorant, power hungry, status seeking egotists who have no difficulty aiding their liberal Democrat colleagues whenever their arms are politely twisted. The one thing they have in common with liberal Democrats is their dislike of all conservatives, especially those who are Bible-believing. McCain, as president, would stifle the voices of elected Republican leaders and try to legislate the conservative movement out of existence.

There is no reason why any conservative should be depressed, especially if they look at past history. I clearly remember the political climate in 1964. We newly-awakened conservatives had a real friend running for the Republican nomination. Barry Goldwater defeated a liberal Republican in the primaries, but in the general election, the mainstream media slaughtered him. In 1964 it was easy to do; we had no effective political action committees, no conservative organizations, few pro-life activists, little religious participation, no talk radio, a handful of articulate conservative legislators, no fax machines and zero Internet. After the 1964 November election, all looked hopeless. Not a bright star on the horizon....But!

In 1966, we conservatives elected an actor as Governor of California. I was elected to the State Senate. The thespian and I were greener than grass but we were both quick to learn. Ron Reagan became a national star, a conservative leader in the nation’s most popular state. He couldn't be ignored.

I founded Gun Owners of America and Gun Owners of California. We became the second largest pro-Second Amendment organization in America with membership in the hundreds of thousands. We concentrated our efforts on electing pro-gunners to the legislature and stopping anti-gun legislation. We grew rapidly and were quite successful. During liberal Jerry Brown's eight years as governor, not a single anti-gun bill was signed into law. The reason was simple -- although the liberal Democrats controlled both houses of the legislature, no anti-gun legislation passed from either house to find its way to the Governor’s desk.

The entire gun movement is close to accomplishing that feat on a national level. As long as the gun community hangs together, it will make little difference on gun issues who is sitting in the White House. The same could be true of other major conservative organizations as long as they stay in the fight. We are much better off than in 1964 and much better organized.

The other good news is that some of the weak-sister Republicans are leaving office -- not willing to scrap it out with the liberal Democrats. Hooray, happy to see you go! Call Gun Owners if you need a ride out of town. We have an opportunity to replace them with tough, no nonsense conservatives. Already, some very fine men are seeking these vacancies.

We at Gun Owners intend to be very engaged in Congressional and US Senate races.

I personally will not cast a vote for the presidency -- that is, if McCain is the Republican nominee. Under no circumstances will I vote for either of the Democrats. This will be the first time in fifty years that I have made this choice. I hope it will be the last.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: anyonebutmccain; banglist; cino; demagogue; elections; goa; gunvote; hlrichardson; manchuriancandidate; mccain; mccainunfit; mcfraud; mctraitor; nowaymccain; quaaludeicrous; rino; rinomccain
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To: CharacterCounts
He's going to be the loser in November.

His followers apparently know that. They're aready looking for someone else to blame.

421 posted on 02/17/2008 4:23:28 PM PST by Mojave
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To: RTO
Here's my little contribution: MIDI

Parody by RTO
All Done With John (Sung to ‘Already Gone’ by the Eagles)

Well, I heard some Freepers squalkin’ just the other day
And they said choose Mc ‘C’ or Obama you will help
But let me tell you I got another view
That you sure don’t have a clue
When Dems eat your lunch, you’ll be left all by yourself
’Cause see I’m all done with John
And I’m say-ay-in’ so long
I won’t sing his RINO song, woo-hoo-hooh! Woo-hoo-hoo

The “lesser” that you vote, see, makes evil plot another lie
But I guess you felt like you have to reject the right
Just remember this, in Mac’s world … spending pork will multiply
He will cede the War when the bills go outta sight (that’s right)

’Cause see I’m all done with John
And I’m say-ay-in’ so long
I won’t sing his RINO song, woo, hoo,hoo,woo,hoo,hoo

Well I know it wasn’t you who held our ground
Heaven knows it isn’t you to take the lead
Go soft in times of fashion, so that we give our votes in vain
And we never seem to hold the G-O-P

But see, I’m all done with John
And I’m say-ay-in’ so long
I won’t sing his RINO song
’Cause I’m all done with John
Yes, I’m all done with John
And I’m say-ay-in’ so long
I won’t sing his RINO song
’Cause I’m all done with John
Yes, I’m all done with John
All done with John
All right, nighty-night

RTO, between you and DFU, I'm going to stop parody posting. Thanks for the chuckle!

422 posted on 02/17/2008 4:23:38 PM PST by MaggieCarta (I'm 'Statistically Insignificant,' and proud of it.)
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To: JasonC
Why you think anyone with half a brain would ever feel any need to follow you, that is the mystery.

I don't think he expects anyone with half a brain to follow him.

423 posted on 02/17/2008 4:24:46 PM PST by CharacterCounts (When you discover rats in your house, you only have two options - fumigate or tolerate.)
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To: Huck
It’s real simple: either you want McCain to win or you want him to lose. If you want him to lose, you want the DEM to win. It’s perfect, irrefutable logic.

There's a difference between saying "I'd rather have X than Y" and saying "I want X". The latter implies a positive desire; given a choice of X or nothing, one would prefer X. By contrast, the latter has no such implication. It may well be that, given the option of having neither X nor Y, one would opt for that.

If I could somehow spend $10,000 and make Fred Thompson be President of the U.S., I would. I'd even be willing to spend that for Romney if the alternative was one of the current three. But if I had to spend $0.10 to choose the winner among McCain, Hillary, and Obama, I'd probably keep my dime.

424 posted on 02/17/2008 4:24:52 PM PST by supercat
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To: CharacterCounts
Good point.
425 posted on 02/17/2008 4:26:00 PM PST by JasonC
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To: Huck
I don't. I expect you to help elect OBAMA, but refuse to admit it. I don't know why though. If he's the preferred candidate, why not say so?

400+ posts and you still can't get it.

Start here and try again.

426 posted on 02/17/2008 4:26:34 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: MaggieCarta
Keep the day job...
427 posted on 02/17/2008 4:27:07 PM PST by JasonC
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To: Mojave
Can you point to where McCain has vowed to have the IRS prepare our tax returns for us and kindly send us our return to sign and return with payment?

Or.... where he has decided to play Santa Claus and match our savings as in a employee 401K only this time with the government doing the matching with our tax dollars?

If you can, I will buy into your arguments there is no difference in the two.

For all his many faults, McCain is still a fiscal conservative... he certainly does not send home the pork to Arizona.... he is pro-life.... vs Obama who voted for the law in Illinois to allow babies who survive partial birth abortions outside the womb to be allowed to die a slow death....

Go ahead, vote third party, they cannot win and that vote will help Obama, so why not just be honest and vote for him and say: I support Obama and why.....

I don't like McCain, either, but none of you put up a viable candidate that would make you and the majority of the party didn't come up with a viable candidate to make everyone happy this year so your choice is just to blow the party and the country to smithereens in a hissy fit. Not very mature, especially when you are espousing the election of a Marxist the likes this country has never seen.

428 posted on 02/17/2008 4:27:11 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Mojave
McCain/Obama 2008

Ah! The George Soros sponsored ticket!!! I heard somewhere that McQueeg was nominating his facial hair as a running mate...

429 posted on 02/17/2008 4:28:51 PM PST by MaggieCarta (I'm 'Statistically Insignificant,' and proud of it.)
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To: JasonC

Well, it’s the five year old logic part that manifests as a hissy fit. I don’t get what distinction you’re trying to make. ???


430 posted on 02/17/2008 4:29:12 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: TigersEye
Conservatism is being shoved out of the GOP

That's a bunch of crap. There were 5 guys running who tried to be conservative. But they all were flawed, and the base was split among them.

There was Hunter, who was pretty conservative, but had no money, no name recognition, and got written off BY THE GRASS ROOTS early on. No one told ppl what to do about it. They calculated that he wasn't a winner. End of story.

There was Tancredo. Single issue guy. Same boat as Hunter. Written off by most in the base as not a real player.

There was Romney. He tried to convince us he was a conservative, and maybe would have been one, but the base was not sold, and only settled for him when it was way too late.

There was Fred, but he turned out to be a stodgy, unmotivated, unimpressive, candidate who had one tiny little gasp in one debate, but it was way too little, way too late.

There was Huckabee, who was unabashedly religious, and who's positions were conservative orthodoxy. But his past record revealed questions. He was absolutely trashed by the base as a complete fraud.

That left two moderates who were actually running as moderates. Rudy, who had a failed strategy and never really got off the ground. And McCain.

So don't tell me conservatism is being shoved out. Centrism won by default. Conservatives failed to field a candidate who had money, motivation, skill, and the trust of the base. That's not McCain's fault. To his credit, he's running pretty much as who he is. He's lucky. I never thought he had a chance.

It's not the death knell of conservatism. It's a primary season we failed to win. McCain is still a better choice than OBAMA, and he's shown a willingness to do business with us, now that he needs us. Thats politics. But, I realize, the base prefers to have OBAMA. So McCain probably will lose. But it won't be his fault. He's being himself, and he won fair and square.

431 posted on 02/17/2008 4:30:01 PM PST by Huck (Support OBAMA in 08--He's a better choice than McCain! Ask any conservative!)
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To: JasonC

Will try...Those were not my lyrics, though...


432 posted on 02/17/2008 4:30:26 PM PST by MaggieCarta (I'm 'Statistically Insignificant,' and proud of it.)
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To: JasonC

Duh! Do I really have to answer that for you?
Of course.


433 posted on 02/17/2008 4:30:58 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: JasonC

(melody to Eric Clapton) Pretending

How many times must we tell the tale?
How many times must they fall?
Living in lost memory
You just recalled

Working on the sound of the RINO
Trying to get the vibrations right
Two go out voting RINO
Three stay home—it’s out of sight!

That’s when McRino said he was pretending
But we already knew the plan
That’s when CINO’s knew he was pretending
Pretending to be one of them
Pretending, pretending
Pretending, pretending

Satisfied but lost in CINO
Situations change
You’re never who you used to say you were
How strange

Chorus

They get lost in alibis
Truthfulness can’t prevail
Everybody knows their fake claims
Can’t Withstand

Don’t be pretending about how you feel
Don’t be pretending that your CINO isn’t real
Don’t be pretending about how you feel
Don’t be pretending that your CINO isn’t real
Pretending, pretending
Pretending, pretending


434 posted on 02/17/2008 4:31:29 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: supercat

Oh, well that’s OK then. President Obama without a mandate is better than McCain with or without a mandate. I fail to see the advantage of that, but if you say so....If that is the way you want it, I certainly respect your choice and your right to vote to elect a mandate-free Dem.


435 posted on 02/17/2008 4:31:49 PM PST by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: katiedidit1
you left out Ronald Reagan..also a member and your comeback is very lame at best

Oh I see, your post to me citing Republicans who are CFR members is insightful and relevant but my post citing Socialists members of the CFR along with Republicans is lame. The only lame part of my previous post is the the fact McCain and the GOP associates themselves with Socialists in the CFR. You really need to look past the "R" after a candidates name and look at their ideology. You would then realize McAmnesty is a Socialist pretending to be a Conservative. I give him credit for conning a lot of people.
436 posted on 02/17/2008 4:32:12 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: JasonC; nicmarlo
Like you-all are God's gift...

If you have such venom for conservatism, what are you doing on FR?

437 posted on 02/17/2008 4:32:32 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Huck
Ok, so you want McCain to lose. His opponent will be the DEM. So we want the DEM to win. Inescapable, irrefutable. Why not just say so?

Because it's not true. I don't want a Dem to win. I don't want McCain to win either. But it would be true to say I think it would be better, given that choice, if the Dem won. But I won't vote for either. I consider my vote to be for whom it is cast never against anyone. That is the truth of it.

438 posted on 02/17/2008 4:32:58 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: calcowgirl
I can't go that far. I would say he is an enemy of conservatism and limited government, and a threat to sovereignty and individual rights.

And that's a "friend" of America? lolol!

439 posted on 02/17/2008 4:32:59 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
I've been particularly amazed at the reaction. It became very predictable after the first one or two. I've been giving my "crash and burn" speech since the GOP nomination was between Romney, McCain, and Giuliani. The reaction then was the same as it is now. The RINO-Bots simply accuse us of bringing destruction upon us all. Of course they get mad and are a little more "descriptive" about it. But they never gave any good reasons as to why one "best of the worst" was worthy of support. It always boiled down to simple name calling, and very early in the discussion too.

The RINO-Bots are driven by fear, and we aren't. We will NOT be driven by fear, nor by knowing the outcome of our actions. It IS predictable that we're going to suffer a crushing loss in November of 2008. It could possibly be averted, but not with cowards willing to vote for another "best of the worst".

The sad and simple fact is that there are too many who will NOT vote for another "best of the worst", and especially not a RINO this time. We've hit our "limit" and have switched into act mode.

This entire thread is composed of two sides and only serves to illustrate how fractured and broken the conservative voting base is at the moment.
440 posted on 02/17/2008 4:33:27 PM PST by hiredhand (Check my "about" page. I'm the Prophet of Doom!)
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