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How the Religious Right lost its ‘Religion’, lost its way and went wrong
Catholic Online ^ | 2/14/2008 | By Deacon Keith Fournier

Posted on 02/15/2008 4:52:57 PM PST by Quiet Man Jr.

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To: JSDude1

I know the real reason why the “religious right” has lost its way since I am part of the new generation, and know many ‘young Christians’ or those from Christian households: The reason we have ‘Lost’ our way is that many Churches have ‘Stopped preaching Biblical truth’- instead prefering emergent theology (or making themselves look like the world). Christ said we should be in the world, but not of it. We should not be like the world and ‘try to mimic it’..which is what many churches in the US now try to do.”


Very sad...very true.


21 posted on 02/15/2008 8:44:06 PM PST by cowdog77 (Circle the Wagons)
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To: tpanther
Nice rant. Eloquent and spot-on. What are you doing with your talents? We need your voice.
22 posted on 02/15/2008 8:58:42 PM PST by LikeLight (Wish you had God's Legal Department on retainer? Click my profile...)
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To: LikeLight

Right now taking notes! That and just spilling my guts!

I’ve been reading a good bit...I like alot of Coulter’s quick wit...alot of Rush’s perspective, alot of Hannity’s ability to not back down so quickly; people have alot of good things they add...and they all seem to care, it’s just that I feel it’s kinda like McCain, they ALL have so MANY negatives too, ya know? And we’re sold short OVER AND OVER!

Newt Gingrich, Bush, it just seems something profound is missing both politically and the pundits etc!

I liked Reagan, how he said things like “it’s not that our liberal friends lie, it’s just that they believe so much that’s simply not true!”

We won’t change minds by insulting people or being mean, but just because too many people are wantonly stupid and ignorant and don’t want to learn doesn’t mean I’m some kind of hater in just pointing that out either!

I guess for the most part I’m trying to learn and take the positive characteristics from each for now.

Maybe I should start a blog I don’t know a thing about them...I’ve visited some over the last few years like Little Green Footballs.

THANKS!


23 posted on 02/15/2008 9:56:16 PM PST by tpanther
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To: tpanther

Well, good. Keep it up, and keep using your creative, positive communications skills.

As I lawyer, I’m so acutely aware that the way the issue gets stated often dictates the outcome. And for too long, we’ve let the socialist/leftist media state the issues, unchallenged.

In fact, I’m sure I just did it again. Why even let them call themselves names like socialists or leftists? I should say the freedom-destroying, private-property-stealing, God-mocking media.


24 posted on 02/15/2008 10:23:27 PM PST by LikeLight (Wish you had God's Legal Department on retainer? Click my profile...)
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To: LikeLight

BINGO! NOW you’re getting the idea!!!!!!

It’s a sometimes fun infectious way to kill liberalism in it’s tracks! Which ironically is a very serious matter!

It works something like this:

If you’re taking your son to his boy scout meeting, what you can do is tell someone you’re going to the ‘hate group meeting’. Hopefully with several people listening, say in line at a grocery store!

Then the cashier says... wth?

And you go on explaining (loudly) that yeah...you know the BOY SCOUTS! Then go into the facts, how the homosexual lobby can’t get the boy scouts to capitulate to their demands so naturally the gays have been hijacking the powers that be to kick them out of their meeting places, and label them a hate group and so on; and if you have enough time you can explain they’re actively hijacking the education system out in California (Cesspoolifornication) to ensure that kids as young as 4 learn about graphic gay sex and kids as young as 10 can get abortions without parental notification and on and on!

But you get the drift.

Of course in front of your son, it’s going to be limited, BUT kids DO need to learn how to stand up to these destructive loons early and often...

See liberals use catchy in your face talk because they’re so hopelessly weak on their positions and such cowards, so bravado and ridiculous language is how they disarm people that don’t want confrontations with these lunatics and IT WORKS and sure enough they all too often get their way without a challenge!

Meanwhile the media and politicans do it too, but they’re quick to use pro-war, and pro-choice too and be tame when they have to!

But yeah, since boy scouts won’t embrace the homosexual agenda, THEY are somehow the hate group!

Average intelligent people know this is preposterous but the majority of average people, and DON’T want to get involved with unreasonable lunatics. And it doesn’t really matter anyway because the homosexual lobby can run an end around and ram their sickness down our throats by hijacking the very structure and fabric of our society and have them kicked out of their building like they did in Philly!

I found out by watching O’Reilly of all things, that MY OWN kids school system had to remove the word Christmas from the school calendar because the Georgia ACLU threatend a lawsuit and they folded like a tent and not a soul was told until it was too late! TOO offensive it seems!

We must not only fight tooth and nail for our civilization and stop this mad erosion, but also confront this destructive soul-less idiocy just in our normal daily lives!

Are you familiar with these groups?

www.thomasmore.org

www.aclj.org

I’ve been making cracks about global warming to as many people as possible just to let the sheer lunacy of it all sink in! I see other people doing it as well now! People ARE getting fed up, but they just don’t know what to do!

Like getting gas and freezing my rear end off in the cold wind...and looking across at the other poor dude in the same boat and say “where’s that damned global warming when you really need it”!

Well just have fun with ALL this lunacy!

I’ve been doing it with the presidential candidates and health care some lately at work.


25 posted on 02/15/2008 11:06:39 PM PST by tpanther
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26 posted on 02/16/2008 6:11:11 AM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: tpanther
Are you familiar with these groups?

www.thomasmore.org

www.aclj.org

Yes, thanks!

27 posted on 02/16/2008 6:25:20 AM PST by LikeLight (Wish you had God's Legal Department on retainer? Click my profile...)
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To: Quiet Man Jr.

Many, not all, but many Roman Catholics I know only vote Republican because of the pro-life platform of the party. If that were dropped or the dems ran a pro-life candidate they would be only too happy to vote dem. They would like us to have universal health care and see welfare as Christian responsibilty.


28 posted on 02/16/2008 7:18:32 AM PST by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: JSDude1

Amen, JSDude1.

Deacon Fournier is longwinded, but he got the fundamental point right. I think he’s frustrated that so many public Catholics are endorsing ESCR candidates despite the fact that the Catholic Church has been unfailing in its defense of innocent persons.

First, we had Paul Weyrich, Laura Ingraham and Sen. Rick Santorum endorsing Gov. Romney, Mr. Embryonic Stem Cell Research.

Now we have “no exceptions” Sen. Brownback making exceptions for McCain. Gov. Frank Keating and Austin Ruse of C-FAM are also among the bogus group Catholics for McCain. There are others too, I just can’t recall the list this split second.

However, in the U.S. Senate’s record on S. 5, the
proposal to fund embryonic stem cell research with our tax dollars, McCain voted for it:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?

We know that Congress will pass that evil bill again, but McCain would not veto it like President Bush did. Yet both Presidents Bush are telling us that McCain is a true conservative and pro-life.

So, what the hell? Why are some public Catholics selling out? Church doctrine says that if we are offered 2 anti-life candidates, we may choose the better between them. But we are not allowed to endorse or campaign for McCain or any other ESCR, euthanasia or abortion candidate.

I feel betrayed by Catholics for McCain. Paul Weyrich did come to his senses and he’s now endorsing Huckabee.

In honor of JSDude1, a little Scripture:
Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me. For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it; but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul? For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds.”
Matthew 16:24-27


29 posted on 02/16/2008 11:48:07 AM PST by Quiet Man Jr.
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To: marron

You are right. It is obvious that the Democratic Party is quickly becoming an American version of the European and Canadian socialist parties, which are deeply secularist. Pelosi reminds me nothing so much as an uncharismatic and feminist version of Trudeau. Liberal priests trapse along behind such people of power because it makes them feel relevant.


30 posted on 02/16/2008 11:52:00 AM PST by RobbyS
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To: calcowgirl
"Common Good" is a term stolen and misused by Socialists, just like "Compassion," "Human Rights," "Love," etc. Just because they appropriated and perverted these phrases, that doesn't mean the real values aren't recoverable.

The Comon Good is the basis of every legitimate government, without exclusing privatte initiative and responsibility, and without, of course, implying Communism.

31 posted on 02/16/2008 1:32:30 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("No one can be at the same time a sincere Catholic and a true socialist." —Pius XI)
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To: ex-snook
Bible fundamentalists think the end is near and Israel war will hasten salvation.

Those who hold that belief are very, very, very wrong.

32 posted on 02/16/2008 6:32:06 PM PST by Mr. Ion
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To: Quiet Man Jr.
Funny, you never see the media talking about the religious left.

Those Catholics and Christians who constantly side with the Democrats on abortion, sex education and socialism.

33 posted on 02/16/2008 6:35:48 PM PST by airborne (For ENGLISH, press '1' . For SPANISH, hang up and learn ENGLISH!)
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To: Dogbert41

<<<”We call good, good, and evil evil. They call evil good, and good evil.”>>>

Reminds me of the liberals’ rationalization for sin. “It isn’t sin it’s psychological”. Let’s talk it over for 10 years where simple confession immediately relieves you of the sin and guilt.


34 posted on 02/17/2008 4:48:03 PM PST by franky1
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To: rbmillerjr

“He advocates the same tired “social justice” calls that actually mean more government spending on social problems. He attempts to link this to being a good Christian.”

as i often repeat

many catholic intellectuals have subsumed the charity and organized help for the less fortunate - that is a natural part of christianity - into democratic socialism

like all socialist they refuse to make any distinction between what is required of christians as free agents in a free society and the central government of that society, as if that central government - it’s identity - and the society at large are, and ought to be one in the same - i.e. socialism

the real excellence of america is not in what the central government does but in the people, operating freely, beyond the political control of the central government

dempcratic spcialists, catholic or ortherwise, simply seek to make their view of appropriate benevolence a political orthodox view enforced by government mandate

at it’s heart there is nothing christian about it

when his followers wanted to help the poor, can you imagine Yeshua telling his followers to start a movement to tell ceasar to turn his treasury over to them????? NO, NO, NO

he would send them out to feed the poor themselves, asking from anyone but TAKING FROM NO ONE, NO ONE

325 tears after his crucifixion the leaders of the remnant of his followers merged their authority with the secular authority of the world, adopting its power to command by the sword as well, and have ever sensed been unable to give up their penchant for secular power ever since


35 posted on 02/17/2008 8:22:45 PM PST by Wuli
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To: kalee; All

“They would like us to have universal health care and see welfare as Christian responsibilty.”

i strongly agree that certain basic elements of “welfare” - helping our neighbor, general charity for jobs, education and health care, and feeding the poor ARE and ought to be strong practices of Christians

BUT, i reject the idea that it is by government fiat, robbing peter to pay paul, that Christians should empower to achieve those endeavors

its interesting that among the ‘christian’ denominations that seek socialism to mandate their benevolent interests they do least, internally, to insure none of their own will need it; while denominations that ask nothing from government nearly always at least take care of their own

which is more ‘christian’?????


36 posted on 02/17/2008 8:35:17 PM PST by Wuli
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To: Mrs. Don-o; All

“The Comon Good is the basis of every legitimate government, without exclusing privatte initiative and responsibility, and without, of course, implying Communism.”

it is the responsibility of government to provide a framework in which the people, in their free associations, can work, together and independently - they the people - for the common good

it is not the purview of government to rob from the people to enforce a politically mandated orthodoxy of what the sum expression of the common good is

that theft is not minimized by a 51% majority


37 posted on 02/17/2008 8:42:35 PM PST by Wuli
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To: Wuli

We agree 100%, it seems.


38 posted on 02/18/2008 3:45:14 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Mater et Magistra.)
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