U Said: DelphiUser, I suggest you look at the rules of this forum (posted here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1774184/posts) for what constitutes a personal attack.
I am careful in my posting, but thanks for the reminder. I will point out that I have been on religion forums for some time.
U Said: When I have dealt with Mormonism I have dealt with it as a belief system and have backed up what I have said with quotes by your founder and other leaders in the church.
You have misquoted them, and interpreted the misquotations, your words are not theirs.
I am sure you would feel the same should I go through the leaders of whatever Sect you belong to and
Quote mined To find quotations from your leaders i could twist to agree with my views. I do not believe you would be convinced by such deception any more than I have been convinced by your words.
U Said: True, at one point I called Mormonism a cult.
Yes, it was an attack after which I can only be said to be defending myself. Often the only way to pierce the Thick shell of indifference with attackers of my faith often wear is to take the same tone they take with us. The shock of seeing their own pride and arrogance reflected bask at them often causes them to say and do things which reveal their true spirit to the Lurkers.
U Said: I then went on to explain the distinct criteria that qualify it as such. This approach is called attack a set of beliefs. It was not attacking you personally no matter what the paranoia which has swept over you is saying.
This is rich, I know when I am being attacked, and I assure you, I am not paranoid (Everyone really is out to get me /Humor). However, I do not expect to convince you of this, unlike those who attack other religions, I am content to allow you to believe what you wish. What you try to teach others that I believe however will be corrected, it is my right to correct you when you are misstating my position. I am sure you would demand nothing less should I start representing your beliefs falsely on an open Forum.
U Said: It is the normal course of events on a forum where ideas are exchanged and debated. Just because someone disagrees with a set of beliefs that you hold to does not mean they are attacking you personally.
When they Argue points, yes, when they Judge a religion, or twist quotations, or slander great men who are dead. then it is not just a lively debate, it is an attack.
U Said: The Religion Moderators know the difference and thus far I have had very little problem with them in any of my discussions.
I too have had very little problems with them, for they are wise and allow conversations such as this one to run their course.
U Said: Now, as to how this all began, I began my interaction on this thread in post six after someone attacked Mike Huckabee’s statement that Mormons teach that Jesus and Lucifer were brothers. The individual suggested that his statement was “crap.” I defended Mike Huckabee by saying that is what the LDS teaches.
The whole point of Mike Huckabee using the term "Brothers" is because he knows (as an ordained minister, he must know) many of the Occult call Satan "God's Brother" it was an obvious attempt to connect us with those who use that term and are known to worship Satan. You may feel justified in defending his attempt to mischaracterize us, I find it a slanderous, under handed and totally inappropriate for anyone claiming to represent Jesus to mislead in such a manner.
U Said: It matters not that the LDS states we are all spirit brothers of Christ.
Actually, it does matter a lot, the words used could not have been accidental.
U Said: The fact remains that the LDS takes a created being, any created being but especially Lucifer, and puts him on an even keel at some point in time with the Creator.
This is flatly not true, is Cain equal with Able in your mind? To Mormons, there is no Equality Between Satan and God, that seems to be your construct, one you apparently wish to project on us and say is ours.
Stop trying to tell me what I believe.
U Said: Lucifer would like to think he has that status.
Lucifer wants to Be God, not just Equal with him, but be him. I think you would agree with that.
U Said: You joined this particular conversation around post 250 and the very first words out of your fingertips were “actually if you read the Bible...” Such an insinuation was a personal attack on me not to a mention snide and condescending way to start a conversation.
I was of course responding to a mischaracterization of my faith in Jesus to be a faith in Satan, would you not find it offensive if you thought someone was representing your faith in such a fashion to those who may not know better? I assure you if this were a private conversation, it would have ended log ago.
U Said: In the same post you said basically either I believe the way you do and the LDS does or I’m not a Bible Believer.
I quoted Scriptures to Back up what I said. Those scriptures were not refuted, instead, in your response In post
# 365 You Judged me to not be a Christian. I quoted the Bible, your response was "
This is NOT what the Bible teaches"" with no more backup than your word. Then as if to make sure I understood your intent, you stated "
But that, and the occult origins of the LDS, will have to await for tonight." A clear threat to "Expose" the "Satanic" beliefs of the LDS church, and since We don't have any, it was s threat to lie about us to the Public. I don't see how you expected me to interpret that any other way.
Mormon interpretation of the Bible is Valid it is not a lie, it is not a deception, we truly believe the Bible as we understand it, there are no places in the Bible we have to "Ignore" as has been suggested on this thread. I am sure, you believe your interpretation to be valid as well. One difference is that we admit the Bible has to be interpreted which allows us to see your side as well as ours another is we do not make it a practice to go around and tell people what they believe, or deny that they are following Christ as they understand him. I have had people on this thread, tell me what I believe, Judge me and question my honesty when I object Thats just not Christlike behavior to me.
U Said: All I can say to that is we read the Bible very differently.
I agree with you on that.
U Said: I take it as it is written. You take it as your church has taught it to you with all of the nuances your Apostles and Prophets have thrown upon it.
On this, I must say I believe you have it backwards. Tell me, why does it seem that your side never encourages people to pray to know the truth?
U Said: A normal reading of Scripture does not give you a multiplicity of gods on more or less equal standing with one another.
Again you display an amazing Lack of understanding of our doctrine, I guess it's to be expected.
U Said: A normal reading of Scripture does not teach that we can become gods.
I could quote you scriptures, but you'd probably just offer your opinion again to "trump" scripture with your word.
U Said: A normal reading of Scripture says we all deserve Hell but the very unique Son of God, the one TRUE God in the Flesh came down to earth and became a man in order to pay sins debt for those who believe. Those who put their faith and trust in what He did on Calvary have eternal life.
I couldn't agree with you more, on this small section of your post...
U Said: Those who trust in works or any other thing do not have life because they have not truly believed in what Jesus did (which was to pay it all).
Again you misrepresent our position, you need both, Why? Because Jesus commanded us to work.
U Said: At this point, I am through with this conversation with you.
Fine by me, Have a nice life and may God bless you and teach you the humility required to feel his direction.
U Said: I have pointed you towards several areas that address the teachings of your faith. Whether you pursue studying what they have to say is entirely up to you.
Yeah, Been there, read most of those, I too have posted to you much that should cause you to ponder, I pray it is enough.
BTW, you complained that I did not get here until post
# 250, Next time anyone wants to slander my faith, ping me, I'll get there sooner to defend the true Gospel of Jesus Christ.