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To: DelphiUser; FreedomProtector
First, Angels do not have spirits, they are spirits. Second, Christ (the Word-the 2nd Person of the Trinity-Jn.1:1-2) created everything, including the Angels (Col.1:16-17) So, Satan (Lucifer) is not a brother of Jesus Christ.

The second member of the Trinity, became a human being, not an Angel (2:16), and that is why only He can call the Father, Father, since He is the Father's only begotten Son, not any of the Angels. (Heb.1:5)

594 posted on 02/14/2008 11:20:36 PM PST by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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To: fortheDeclaration; FreedomProtector
U Said: First, Angels do not have spirits, they are spirits.

Agreed! (Not that our opinions matter, Truth simply is.)

U Said: Second, Christ (the Word-the 2nd Person of the Trinity-Jn.1:1-2) created everything, including the Angels (Col.1:16-17) So, Satan (Lucifer) is not a brother of Jesus Christ.

You are assuming the Trinity to be a true doctrine, which sadly it is not, thus your logic falls apart there, but I do understand and Sympathize with what you are trying to do here, Please read my section on the Trinity it links a bunch of Documents from the Catholic enclyclopedia, and I try not to post monster posts in thread, thanks!

U Said: The second member of the Trinity, became a human being, not an Angel (2:16), and that is why only He can call the Father, Father, since He is the Father's only begotten Son, not any of the Angels. (Heb.1:5)

You have already Gone astray on the Biggest point of doctrinal difference between Mormons and and "Orthodox" Christians, we don't believe in the Trinity which is not to be found anywhere in the Bible, we believe in the Godhead which is in the Bible.

The Big difference in the Trinity and the Godhead is the Trinity has God and Christ being of the same substance, where the Godhead has them having unity of Thought, Might Mind and Strength, but a distinctness of persons.

We could spend lots of time throwing scriptures at each other, and nobody will win (although it can be cathartic), or we can discuss like adults the differences these differing perspectives give us. Not to try to argue, but so you can understand what kind of "Unity" I am talking about, Adam and eve were commanded to be "one flesh", yet retained their distinctness. Jesus commanded the Disciples to be one even as he and the father were one, I know you don't believe that, but I do, and I can make a good argument that that is what the early church fathers believed, if we have to go down that road. However, I find it more fascinating to discuss the difference this seeming small perspective shift makes in the scriptures. To me the Baptism of Jesus is an event attended by he father, to you it is a spiritual not literal event, upon he cross, the father had to allow Jesus to die on his own, and Jesus complains about being left alone by God the Father. I have an adopted uncle who is Jewish (he was disowned by his family when he first joined) Who told me that the Jews had a tradition that the Father had to attend the Bris (Circumcision) of their sons as a type of God standing by while his son was hurt. There is so much we can teach each other, anybody want to, or are we going to bash scriptures till we both turn blue?

Think about it.

God bless.
599 posted on 02/15/2008 1:02:29 AM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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