Posted on 02/14/2008 4:34:07 AM PST by Kaslin
>>When you stop lying I will start growing up.<<
That is what we call a “big fat claim”. Please cut and paste one of my lies in your reply to this.
I think several things would have become public knowledge, but the one thing that would likely have been most noted would have been the practice of the LDS church not allowing attendance at temple weddings by friends and relatives, even parents, unless they paid the price for the "temple recommend" by being "worthy". Imagine, forbidding parents to attend the wedding of a child.
Thanks for that link.
My daughter came back from college and told me about it (I haven’t had TV since 1997). I got the episode off limewire and, other than my initial shock over the vulgarity of the show, was amazed how frank they were in dealing with such a “non-pc” topic. I wonder if they have done this with Islam yet...
Sorry, didn't have time to read your post.
I was too busy looking for the Biblical verse that authorizes an infallible deified Roman Catholic Pope?
After that, will look for the Biblical verse which validates Purgatory? And who is supposed to go there?
Which book in the New Testament speaks of Rosary Beads?
Where in the New or Old Testament does it say to pray or worship St. Mary?
How did the Hail Mary repeated prayers come to mean anything?
Which Bible verse explains the process of being Cannonized? How many Saints are too many Saints? And which Bible verse sets the rules for becoming a Saint?
Which Saint helps us find lost items? Saints for animals?
What about statues of St. Mary? Doesn't the Bible strictly forbid statues?
Where in the Bible does it explain Holy Water? Celibate Priests? Confession Booths?
Eating fish on Friday?
I could go on. But if you're looking for human "traditions" as some sort of reason to disallow Mormonism as a valid religion, I suggest you look no further than some of the other so=called mainstream religions.
I am sure most people think of the above things as "ordained" by the Almighty.
Perhaps they are. Perhaps they are not.
But what gives anyone the right to proclaim THEIR human traditions more valid than anyone elses.... outside of that outlined in the Holy Scriptures.
Exactly. I don't mind in the least that Huckabee is a proud Baptist.
So am I.
But when he runs as a Christian FIRST, to the exclusion and criticism of other faiths, I say the man is not qualified to be President, not in a country that cherishes freedom of worship.
I was willing to give Huckabee a pass, actually, until he made that assinine comment to the NYTimes writer, "Dont Mormons believe that the Devil is Jesus' brother??"
Followed by Huckabee's comment on wanting to change the US Constitution to fit God;s Word -- as he interprets it, of course. .
At that point, Huckabee turned into an icon OPPOSED to what America was founded on -- Freedom of religion.
Never Huckabee. (and I am a practicing Baptist who was raised in church, three times a week, summer Christian camp, and a home where traveling ministers such as Billy Graham and Jack Van Impe occasionally came to visit.
When Romney dropped out two days after the Feb. 5 super primary, he had 4.1 million votes compared to McCain's 4.7 million votes.
No candidate was perfect.
Romney certianly unified the Republican party better than any candidate you might have supported.
I am still waiting for the Romney haters to come up with someone THEY think can win.
Surely you jest.
Fred, despite my affection and respect, couldn't campaign his way out of a paper bag.
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I’m sure that conservatives will come up with someone in ‘08 or ‘12. If not, the conservative movement is in even deeper trouble.
Judge the life, not the faith.
Papal infallibility refers only to the truths of religion, declared in consonance with 2000 years of tradition. Canon law (Church law) refers to the duties of Catholics within the Church and is not a legal system for a society.
The Pope is not an earthly governor and the Catholic Church actually adapts to just about any system of governance that allows it to exist.
Mormonism and Islam were conceived as all-encompassing systems where the religious authorities would also be the civil governors, and where the religious (including ritual) law would be the law of the civil society. In fact, civil society doesn’t really exist in either Mormonism or Islam.
The difference is that many Mormons are reexamining this, whereas Muslims are not. A big part of the difference is that Mormonism is a combination of fundamentalist Protestant Christianity, somebody’s personal visions, and 19th century spiritualism, while Islam is a combination of Old Testament law, pagan practices and dieties, and a few figures from Christianity. Mormonism has largely abandoned theocracy, while Islam has not.
In the case of Romney, I didn’t like him because I thought he was a liberal. He was probably much more socially liberal than many Mormons, in fact.
As for Momonism in general, I know many Mormons want to be accepted as orthodox Christians, but it is up to them and their leaders to formulate this and work it out.
Mormon practices are very strange. I think that’s something Mormons have got to work out for themselves. But in terms of Romney - who I suspect was probably not a great Mormon in recent years, although he was apparently a Mormon bishop - I think it was reasonable to ask him about these things, and his screaming “prejudice” was not an okay answer.
Whaaaa##???
And you think the Roman Catholic church was NOT an all encompassing system when it was created, with the power to behead, the power to annoint Kings and Queens of various European countries??
The CAtholic Church had Galileo put in prison for having the audacity to invent a telescope and talk about the planets revolving around the sun instead of the Catholic Church's insistance it was the other way around.
Read up on the history of the Catholic Church and you, I believe, will be stunned.
My point being the hypocricy of all those who so despise the Mormon religion's doctrine for "non Biblical" teachings when in fact many Christian denonimations do the EXACT same thing.
And I'm a believing practicing Christian who loves the Catholic Church, and occasionally attends Mass.
No, it's up to falsely pious people to stop pretending that THEY are the almighty arbitor of truth with the ability to interpret all things.
Mormon's have their absolutes and traditions founded in their history which are NOWHERE to be found in the standard King James Bible, and Roman Catholics have absolutes and traditions which are NOWHERE to be found in the standard King James Bible.
Please explain Pergutory, worshiping St. Mary, absolution, confession booths, eating fish on Friday, saying prayers to "Saints" who then intercede with God Almighty to help in various earthly chores, etc etc.
To someone familiar with denominations of American Christianity, those things seem just as "out there" as many Mormon teachings.
I am not judging either denomination. Just making a point that people should stop acting as if THEY are God's interpreter.
Mormons are just as patriotic, just as upstanding people, perhaps more so, than so called "regular" Christians.
The thing that so irks me is that Romney supporters, like myself, were more-than-happy to support any OTHER candidate who might have won the nomination.
I would be happy as a clam to support Duncan, or Fred, and I will probably close my eyes and vote for McCain.
But the hate which dripped off the postings of Romney haters has opened my eyes to that intolerant spiteful segment of the conservative movement which I thought had been purged decades ago.
Seems I was wrong.
Because just like many people claim they don't "believe" Romney is a conservative .... and then insist it has nothing to do with Mormon ....
Well, then likewise I can "believe" they are just pretending that they don't believe Romney a real conservative --- but simply hate the fact he is a Mormon.
Look at all the thousands of postings on FR that go on and on and on about some aspect of Mormon, when in reality the Mormon church has nothing do with with anything.
It’s the combination that will always make Romney a divider of the Republican party. Combine Mormon, which alienates a chunk of the Christian vote, with $50 copays for abortions and appointment of gay activists as judges, which alienates all social conservatives, with coercive and universal healthcare, which alienates intellectually honest and well grounded economic conservatives, and you’re left with Romney, who has enough millions of his own and enough millions from his Mormon constituency to pretend to be in the race, but without any natural constituency or base outside of the Mormon community.
It's mind-boggling that Huckabee's single comment, "Don't mormons believe satan is Jesus' brother" is claimed to be the arrow that slew the Romney candidacy.
What do the Romney supporters believe the Hillary campaign would have done, had Mitt become the nominee? They have already turned the democrat campaign racial, and for some reason you Mitt supporters don't believe that they would have used SEVERAL mormon practices against him, especially the fact that blacks were banned from receiving the mormon priesthood until 1978.
All the "crying victim" in the world wouldn't have done Mitt any good in the general election.
>>But we can’t indulge in judging people by their faith.<<
I disagree. Would you vote for a Muslim presidential candidate?
In a time of warfare against Muslim extremists? No. That would have to be one extraordinary individual.
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