[Rurudyne]

Just a little rabble rousing on my part.

I'll post daily values from the above link.

Today's values are:

Flux Density Values in sfu for 22:00 on 2008:02:12

Julian Day Number : 2454509.406

Carrington Rotation Number : 2066.683

Observed Flux Density : 0072.2

Flux Density Adjusted for 1 A.U. : 0070.4

URSI Series D Flux, Adj. x 0.9 : 0063.4

As you can see, it still isn't going up.

If anyone else has other juicy links or comments to demonstrate how super serial our situation is, or even just pictures of Manbearpig, please chime in. –.^

BTW ... all fun aside, global cooling is BAD.

[PSYCHO-FREEP]

Just send Algore up on a rocket and the hot air will return to the planet in no time flat.....

[Rurudyne]

The Sun on Vacation: Day 58 of the Gore-Hansen Minimum


Dated from January 4th, 2008, with confirmation of sunspot #10,981.


Sunday Update


Flux Density Values in sfu for 20:00 on 2008:03:02

Julian Day Number : 2454528.322

Carrington Rotation Number : 2067.377

Observed Flux Density : 0069.2

Flux Density Adjusted for 1 A.U. : 0068.0

URSI Series D Flux, Adj. x 0.9 : 0061.2

[Rurudyne]

The Sun on Vacation: Day 59 of the Gore-Hansen Minimum


Dated from January 4th, 2008, with confirmation of sunspot #10,981.


Monday Update


Flux Density Values in sfu for 17:00 on 2008:03:03

Julian Day Number : 2454529.197

Carrington Rotation Number : 2067.409

Observed Flux Density : 0068.8

Flux Density Adjusted for 1 A.U. : 0067.6

URSI Series D Flux, Adj. x 0.9 : 0060.8

[Rurudyne]

The Sun on Vacation: Day 60 of the Gore-Hansen Minimum


Dated from January 4th, 2008, with confirmation of sunspot #10,981.


Tuesday Update


Flux Density Values in sfu for 17:00 on 2008:03:04

Julian Day Number : 2454530.197

Carrington Rotation Number : 2067.446

Observed Flux Density : 0068.7

Flux Density Adjusted for 1 A.U. : 0067.6

URSI Series D Flux, Adj. x 0.9 : 0060.8

[Rurudyne]

The Sun on Vacation: Day 61 of the Gore-Hansen Minimum


Dated from January 4th, 2008, with confirmation of sunspot #10,981.


Wednesday Update


Flux Density Values in sfu for 17:00 on 2008:03:05

Julian Day Number : 2454531.197

Carrington Rotation Number : 2067.482

Observed Flux Density : 0069.4

Flux Density Adjusted for 1 A.U. : 0068.3

URSI Series D Flux, Adj. x 0.9 : 0061.5

[Rurudyne]

The Sun on Vacation: Day 62 of the Gore-Hansen Minimum


Dated from January 4th, 2008, with confirmation of sunspot #10,981.


Thursday Update


Flux Density Values in sfu for 17:00 on 2008:03:06

Julian Day Number : 2454532.197

Carrington Rotation Number : 2067.519

Observed Flux Density : 0070.5

Flux Density Adjusted for 1 A.U. : 0069.4

URSI Series D Flux, Adj. x 0.9 : 0062.5

[Rurudyne]

The Sun on Vacation: Day 63 of the Gore-Hansen Minimum


Dated from January 4th, 2008, with confirmation of sunspot #10,981.


Friday Super Update


Flux Density Values in sfu for 17:00 on 2008:03:07

Julian Day Number : 2454533.197

Carrington Rotation Number : 2067.556

Observed Flux Density : 0070.6

Flux Density Adjusted for 1 A.U. : 0069.6

URSI Series D Flux, Adj. x 0.9 : 0062.6


By rurudyne at 2008-03-07

[HardStarboard]

Forget my request for a link.....found it deeper in your thread.

Cheers

[Rurudyne]

The Sun on Vacation: Day 64 of the Gore-Hansen Minimum


Dated from January 4th, 2008, with confirmation of sunspot #10,981.


Super-Ultra-Mega Saturday Update and Thread-to-Date Recap

Friends, as many people will attest: it has been somewhat cold of late. There has, for example, been snow in both Bagdad and Jerusalem recently and Hong Kong is having a record cold snap (link ).

This thread began with a link to this article: (link). As I said at te beginnig, I’m having fun here and I don’t really believe it’s the dawn of a new Ice Age — or so I would hope for all our sakes. Also, this is an issue largely independent from AGW since it deals with "Glowball Warmth" rather than "global warming" (as I'll address later in the post).

But there is substance to this Watch and with it an explanation for why this winter is the way it is: solar radiance.

There is a strong link between both sunspot activity and the sun's magnetic flux as to how brightly it shines and how much meat it generates. Right now both of these have bottomed out. Here's a (link) to the Canadian observatory that keeps track of solar flux, updates daily. In terms of sunspot activity this means only a few or no sunspots; in terms of the solar flux a value of 64 to 68 is just about as low as it gets.

As you can see from today's solar flux values:

Flux Density Values in sfu for 17:00 on 2008:03:08

Julian Day Number : 2454534.197

Carrington Rotation Number : 2067.592

Observed Flux Density : 0069.9

Flux Density Adjusted for 1 A.U. : 0068.9

URSI Series D Flux, Adj. x 0.9 : 0062.0
... we have essentially bottomed out. The daily values I've personally seen since I began this watch elsewhere are:


By rurudyne at 2008-03-07

Red is Observed Flux. Blue is Adjusted for 1 A.U.
This is only the tail end of a trend that has been ongoing for a year now. As you can see from these four temperature gauges used by environmental and climate change scientist, we HAVE had remarkable cooling in the last 12 months.

These charts were brought together by Anthony Watts in his blog What's Up With That? (link) and have seen some traction since. He has calculated that the average of these is -0.6405ºC.

I should point out that Mr.Watts has said in an update:

I wish to state for the record, that this statement is not mine: “–a value large enough to erase nearly all the global warming recorded over the past 100 years”

There has been no “erasure”. This is an anomaly with a large magnitude, and it coincides with other anecdotal weather evidence. It is curious, it is unusual, it is large, it is unexpected, but it does not “erase” anything. I suggested a correction to DailyTech and they have graciously complied.

These are:


By What's Up With That? January 2008


By What's Up With That? January 2008


By What's Up With That? January 2008


By What's Up With That? January 2008
For a MUCH longer term perspective consider this chart of the solar flux for the last several decades:


By NOAA
You may notice, for example, the period from 1966 to 1976 that had people so concerned about global cooling and the beginning of a new ice age.

As for sunspot activity (solar flux and Planetary A index too) this chart shows our current status too (this one updates by itself):


By Jan Alvestad
Also, for a nice "real-English" discussion of sunspots I would suggest this (link).

It would seem a given that if old Sol is putting out less energy that we would in fact be cooler.

So what is going on here?

Well, Solar Cycle 23 which has been an ongoing concern for around the last 11 years has reached a minimum at which point Solar Cycle 24 should begin:


By NOAA
But Solar Cycle 24 just doesn't seem to have any oomph to get started. As you may have noticed above NOAA announced the first official SC24 sunspot on January 4 of this year; however, what that doesn't tell you is that SC23 was not behaving normally.

The usual length of time from a Maximum to a Minimum is 33 months +/- 5 months. Since SC23 reached its maximum in January of 2004 it has been almost 50 months and SC24 is still sputtering.

Does that mean we will enter another minimum like the Maunder Minimum (from about 1645 to 1715) or the Dalton Minimum (1800 to 1830)?

No. Not at all.

But unlike the spurious claims made in the Hong Kong article above, Global Warming cannot be the cause of Global Cooling. Think about it for a moment: isn't the nature of AGW global warming to increase the amount of heat retained? If so then even AGW global warming effects can only be a moderating consideration if, because the sun turns down for a bit, things cool off.

But, someone might ask, what of El Niño and La Niña? Well, it turns out that both are driven by solar activity (link).

You see, when we are talking about solar irradiance we are talking about something that is BEHIND either global warming or cooling. This is because the sun provides virtually all warmth to our atmosphere and so all discussions about thinks like green house gases are secondary to what the sun is doing. If the sun were to enter a Gore-Hansen Minimum the only thing that AGW could possibly do is to moderate some of it.

I will update this thread until, hopefully, SC24 finally gets off its lazy butt and starts cranking out some energy. NOAA had predicted this to occur in March plus or minus 6 months (link).

At this point it behooves me to point out that I've seen solar scientist say that the longer SC24 takes to get started the greater the chance we will see a repeat of something like SC20 that had everyone panicked about a new ice age. In the extreme though, we have this:

Further, the solar physics group at NASA has published their own prediction of a coming deep solar minimum, what the SSRC calls a "solar hibernation." The link below shows NASA's prediction of when the next minimum will occur. Though the SSRC and NASA differ on the exact start (Cycle 24 vs.cycle 25, respectively), both have separately concluded that an historic low period of the sun's activity is coming. NASA has not yet announced their correlation between the coming solar minimum and its potential impacts on the Earth's temperatures or climate. However, because this correlation is already well established and because we have the premliminary signs of the sun's unusually slow surface flows reported by NASA, the SSRC and other scientists, have concluded the process of changeover to the next climate era has begun.

... which is an excerpt from a paper that suggest we WILL be entering at least a new Dalton Minimum-like time. If you want to look into the issue you can go here: (link) and click on the top link "The RC Theory: SSRC Research Report 1-2008" for a down loadable file of the report.



Many thanks to those who have posted to this thread and who have started other threads (or posted to them) for helping me find the data that went into this update. Special thanks to Tolerance Sucks Rocks for the DOOMAGE! ping that has made finding some of this stuff so easy.

[Rurudyne]

The Sun on Vacation: Day 65 of the Gore-Hansen Minimum


Dated from January 4th, 2008, with confirmation of sunspot #10,981.


Sunday Update


Flux Density Values in sfu for 17:00 on 2008:03:09

Julian Day Number : 2454535.197

Carrington Rotation Number : 2067.629

Observed Flux Density : 0069.9

Flux Density Adjusted for 1 A.U. : 0069.0

URSI Series D Flux, Adj. x 0.9 : 0062.1


Has anyone else noticed how the observed flux and the adjusted seem to be getting closer together? At the start of this watch they were farther apart than now. I'm guessing it's because Earth's elliptical orbit is bringing us closer to the sun.

[Rurudyne]

The Sun on Vacation: Day 66 of the Gore-Hansen Minimum


Dated from January 4th, 2008, with confirmation of sunspot #10,981.


Monday Update


Flux Density Values in sfu for 17:00 on 2008:03:10

Julian Day Number : 2454536.197

Carrington Rotation Number : 2067.666

Observed Flux Density : 0070.7

Flux Density Adjusted for 1 A.U. : 0069.7

URSI Series D Flux, Adj. x 0.9 : 0062.8


In a perfect world political forums would be a lot less lively, and those dedicated to the Transformers (TM) more so.

[Rurudyne]

The Sun on Vacation: Day 67 of the Gore-Hansen Minimum


Dated from January 4th, 2008, with confirmation of sunspot #10,981.


Tuesday Update


Flux Density Values in sfu for 17:00 on 2008:03:11

Julian Day Number : 2454537.197

Carrington Rotation Number : 2067.702

Observed Flux Density : 0070.6

Flux Density Adjusted for 1 A.U. : 0069.7

URSI Series D Flux, Adj. x 0.9 : 0062.8


My Online Fiction: Or how I spend the rest of my time....

Transformers: Genesis
Transformers: Forgotten Wars
The Hall of Dead Gods (episode 2 complete)
The Mythopoetic Clock (background/subtext)



"I'm Rurudyne, and I approve of this shameless self-promotion."

[Rurudyne]

The Sun on Vacation: Day 68 of the Gore-Hansen Minimum


Dated from January 4th, 2008, with confirmation of sunspot #10,981.


Wednesday Update


Flux Density Values in sfu for 17:00 on 2008:03:12

Julian Day Number : 2454538.197

Carrington Rotation Number : 2067.739

Observed Flux Density : 0069.6

Flux Density Adjusted for 1 A.U. : 0068.7

URSI Series D Flux, Adj. x 0.9 : 0061.9


You know, this is a bit like standing near the surf watching the waves roll back and forth. You know that sooner or later your feet will get wet, but you don't know when.

[Rurudyne]

The Sun on Vacation: Day 69 of the Gore-Hansen Minimum


Dated from January 4th, 2008, with confirmation of sunspot #10,981.


Thursday Update


Flux Density Values in sfu for 17:00 on 2008:03:13

Julian Day Number : 2454539.197

Carrington Rotation Number : 2067.776

Observed Flux Density : 0070.0

Flux Density Adjusted for 1 A.U. : 0069.1

URSI Series D Flux, Adj. x 0.9 : 0062.2

[Rurudyne]

The Sun on Vacation: Day 70 of the Gore-Hansen Minimum


Dated from January 4th, 2008, with confirmation of sunspot #10,981.


Friday Ping & Update


If anyone wants to be added or removed to this ping list just let me know.


Flux Density Values in sfu for 17:00 on 2008:03:14

Julian Day Number : 2454540.197

Carrington Rotation Number : 2067.812

Observed Flux Density : 0068.9

Flux Density Adjusted for 1 A.U. : 0068.1

URSI Series D Flux, Adj. x 0.9 : 0061.3


A little Recap:


Red is Observed Flux. Blue is Adjusted for 1 A.U.

Also, here is a chart for Solar Flux values since 1960. This should give you an idea about the sun's current performance (values between 64 to 68 are as low as has been observed). The lower the solar flux the less active the sun is and the less heat it is producing to warm the Earth — thus "Global Cooling Watch".



The following chart shows just how sluggish the sun has been for the last year or so. Please note the monthly average Solar Flux seen at Earth compared to the values taken from the solar maximum.



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There is no "general Welfare clause" (latest version)
The Perversion of Our Laws
The Constitution and Gay Marriage, such as it is...
WE THE PRESS
Hello, I'm starting "slow": Intelligent Design and its implications

Scroll a few updates back to see links to my online fiction.

Truly ... I am without shame!

[Rurudyne]

The Sun on Vacation: Day 71 of the Gore-Hansen Minimum


Dated from January 4th, 2008, with confirmation of sunspot #10,981.


Saturday Update


Flux Density Values in sfu for 17:00 on 2008:03:15

Julian Day Number : 2454541.197

Carrington Rotation Number : 2067.849

Observed Flux Density : 0068.9

Flux Density Adjusted for 1 A.U. : 0068.2

URSI Series D Flux, Adj. x 0.9 : 0061.4


What was that power that the little guys in the one Buck Rogers episode had? Oh yeah!

*looks up at sun*

"On think! On think! On think!"

[Rurudyne]

The Sun on Vacation: Day 72 of the Gore-Hansen Minimum


Dated from January 4th, 2008, with confirmation of sunspot #10,981.


Sunday Update


Flux Density Values in sfu for 17:00 on 2008:03:16

Julian Day Number : 2454542.197

Carrington Rotation Number : 2067.886

Observed Flux Density : 0070.4

Flux Density Adjusted for 1 A.U. : 0069.7

URSI Series D Flux, Adj. x 0.9 : 0062.8


Just as an aside, the last values reported for yesterday, 3/15/08, were Observed Flux Density = 0067.7 and Flux Density Adjusted for 1 A.U. = 0067.0 ... so the "On think!" exercise obviously failed. That's what I get for deriving metaphysics from a Sci-Fi TV show.

[Rurudyne]

The Sun on Vacation: Day 73 of the Gore-Hansen Minimum


Dated from January 4th, 2008, with confirmation of sunspot #10,981.


Monday Update


Flux Density Values in sfu for 20:00 on 2008:03:17

Julian Day Number : 2454543.322

Carrington Rotation Number : 2067.927

Observed Flux Density : 0069.8

Flux Density Adjusted for 1 A.U. : 0069.1

URSI Series D Flux, Adj. x 0.9 : 0062.2


I did my part for global warming today (and I've got the freshly cut lawn to prove it too).

[Rurudyne]

The Sun on Vacation: Day 74 of the Gore-Hansen Minimum


Dated from January 4th, 2008, with confirmation of sunspot #10,981.


Tuesday Update


Flux Density Values in sfu for 17:00 on 2008:03:18

Julian Day Number : 2454544.197

Carrington Rotation Number : 2067.959

Observed Flux Density : 0069.9

Flux Density Adjusted for 1 A.U. : 0069.3

URSI Series D Flux, Adj. x 0.9 : 0062.3


You know, a "Rurudyne's Daily Cooling Watch" Widget might be cool.

It could show sunspot activity and solar flux while being one more thing to annoy people while it sits there, needlessly occupying space on their desktop.

[Rurudyne]

The Sun on Vacation: Day 75 of the Gore-Hansen Minimum


Dated from January 4th, 2008, with confirmation of sunspot #10,981.


Wednesday Update


Flux Density Values in sfu for 17:00 on 2008:03:19

Julian Day Number : 2454545.197

Carrington Rotation Number : 2067.996

Observed Flux Density : 0069.0

Flux Density Adjusted for 1 A.U. : 0068.5

URSI Series D Flux, Adj. x 0.9 : 0061.6


The values from the sun go up and down
Up and down, up and down
The values from the sun go up and down
All through the year!

(sorry, but the old school bus song seems suitable somehow)