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To: Rock&RollRepublican; conservativeinferno; WVNan; loreldan; seekthetruth; lookout88; K-oneTexas; ...
Romney IS a very conservative, straight-laced morals-based man

You have got to be kidding. I'm sorry, but I'm truly surprised that words alone and an "R" by one's name is enough to fool so many people. (or maybe it's the good looks and great hair) He is no conservative and never was.

And one of the biggest problems I had with him was his character, so your statement about him being "morals-based" just amazes me. The guy was caught in numerous lies. And the scary part is, the lies seemed to come so easy for him, they just rolled off his tongue. It is almost Clintonesque. His nickname could be Slick Willard.

And what was equally troubling is that the man seemed to have no core principles one way or the other. Typical politician, in that it wasn't about principle but about saying whatever it takes to win a race. Some people bought it, many saw through him like a pane of glass.

I'll ask some questions that I asked someone else on another thread, a couple weeks ago:

Is going back and forth on abortion a "conservative" value? Is going back and forth on the 2nd amendment conservative? Is being a backer of the Brady Bill conservative? Is having a socialistic mandatory health care plan that is endorsed by Ted Kennedy conservative? In regard to judicial appointments, is appointing more Democrats and liberals than Republicans a "conservative" value?

Is being a chameleon and pandering to people only to turn around and betray what makes him "conservative" and "morals-based"? Is lying, stretching the truth and not being principled "morals based"? Is allowing gay marriage to go through "conservative"? Is raising taxes and being for big-government programs a "conservative" value? Is being aligned with the CFR, a globalist group who is pushing for the NAU, a "conservative" value? Is not having served in the miltary and having 5 sons who aren't serving "conservative"? Is that enough, or should I go on?

And lastly, if you don't click on any of those other links... at least click on this one, a little video that I put together.

*gets ready for the tar and feathering* lol

192 posted on 02/09/2008 11:26:32 PM PST by incindiary (wake up, people!!!)
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To: incindiary

Do you think that McCain is the better candidate?


195 posted on 02/09/2008 11:37:25 PM PST by alicewonders (Conservative without a country.)
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To: incindiary

Excuse me if I think the straw poll voters at CPAC had it right giving Romney the win, as well as 50 strong leaders who met with Romney. I think I’ll sit with Keene and Weyrich over your opinions.


204 posted on 02/10/2008 5:48:38 AM PST by rbmillerjr (Big Government Evangelicals.....leading conservatives to Landslide 2012)
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To: incindiary
a little video that I put together.

I've seen your videos ad naseum. That's all you Romney haters got... a little one sentence snippet of something from 20 years ago taken out of context.

The NRA generally supported Romney, so he wasn't this big gun grabber you claim.

Despite my thoughts or yours regarding guns, many conservatives thought there was a some good to come from the gun legislation Romney signed in Massachusetts.

Also, Romney didn't "raise" income taxes, or sales taxes, or any other of the more confiscatory taxes in Massachusetts or anywhere else.

He did what EVERY single Governor in America does (did) occasionally, even the most hard right conservative.

They update the fees charged for various things... drivers licenses, fees for filing paperwork, permit fees.... to keep in line with inflation and make them commensurate with technology and productivity.

"aligned with CFR" .. that's a new one, and what the heck does it mean. That he doesn't hate the group passionately like you? Another meaningless platitude of Romney hatred based on your perception with no facts to back it up.

And lastly, Romney's health care proposal does give me some pause, although it is NOT government run healthcare like Romney haters claim.

It basically had the state negotiate with private health care companies to provide group rates and bulk rates to individuals ... so the average person could buy catastrophic health insurance at a much reduced price.

Yes, there is a fee or penalty for those who don't have insurance, just like mandated automobile insurance.

Atill, the state doesn't run the health plans like MediCaid or MediCare.... which by the way are government run health plans supported and funded by every single conservative in America.

In fact, the research so far are showing that there are LESS freeloaders in Massachusetts NOW dumping their emergency room and catastrophic health care bills on MediCaid, like had been happening prior to this bill.

Whether you want to believe it or not, many many middle and upper class people refuse to buy health care insurance.... but then have NO RELUCTANCE to dump their big hospital bills on MediCare rather than give up their savings or stock accounts.

I see it here in Pennsylvania all the time. People simply transfer their assets to a family member or whomever, and claim they are too poor to pay.

My former in laws did it.... and it drove me nuts.

They said.. "oh, the state can afford to pay for my kids health insurance. What's the big deal?"

As for the Democrat judges, that is also meaningless unless you provide specifics. Most judges are cross-filed both Rep and Dem, and many Republicans are liberals and many Dems are conservatives.

Do you really think that Limbaugh, Tancredo, Coulter, Weyrich, DeMint, Santorum, Dobson and the hundreds of other rock solid conservatives are hallucinating in their support of Romney, and that YOU are the only one with insider truth?

I think not, my friend.

206 posted on 02/10/2008 6:37:45 AM PST by Edit35
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To: incindiary; Rock&RollRepublican; conservativeinferno; WVNan; loreldan; seekthetruth; lookout88; ...
Incindiary, you picked a perfect screen handle.

Your entire reply is completely destructive. Of the remaining candidates, Romney stands waist-up above the rest.

"Is going back and forth on abortion a "conservative" value?"

He didn't "go back and forth," he changed once, for the better by far.

"Is going back and forth on the 2nd amendment conservative?"

Again you lie with your question. He worked with the NRA to get the best possible result that could have come out of the very statist Massachusetts legislature. The resultant bill was a huge improvement.

"Is being a backer of the Brady Bill conservative?"

Not in my opinion, but millions of people that consider themselves conservative support the Brady bill to some extent. Romney has proven himself not to be a big supporter of gun laws, but you can keep on lying if you wish.

"Is having a socialistic mandatory health care plan that is endorsed by Ted Kennedy conservative?"

There you go again. The bill that he was able to craft together greatly weakened what the legislature intended. It resulted in retention of normal private medical practice in the state, and that was not what would have happened had he not been governor.

You are a liar, and you know it. You are working against all of us by throwing your bombs at the only viable candidate.

227 posted on 02/10/2008 11:32:23 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: incindiary

You need to take a chill-pill.


229 posted on 02/10/2008 12:51:23 PM PST by ContraryMary (New Jersey -- Superfund cleanup capital of the U.S.A.)
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