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To: Colofornian; Will88

Colofornian: According to your logic, Duncan Hunter is killing babies in California every time he votes to fund Medicaid.

Says so here on Californiaprolife.org

Here is a snippet: you can check yourself: Duncan the baby killer.


“”It was the policy in twenty-seven states to fund abortions only when the life of the mother was endangered until the Clinton administration through threats and law suits forced funding for other exceptions in several of the states. (AL, AZ, AR, DE, FL, GA, ID, IN, KS, KY, LA, ME, MI, MS, MO, MT, NE, NV, NH, ND, OH, OK, RI, SC, SD, TX, UT)

Eight other states choose to fund abortions only when the life of the mother is endangered or when the baby has been conceived by rape or incest— several also fund when the baby might be born with handicaps or for other exceptions. (CO, IA, NC, PA, TN, VA, WI, WY)

Eight states pay for abortions by order of their state courts. (California has been so ordered, but subsequently moved into the next category.) (CT, IL, MA, MN, NJ, NM, WV, VT)

Seven states and the District of Columbia fully fund abortions by legislative decision. Since 1990 the California Legislature put California in this group by voting to fund abortion on demand. (AK, CA, HI, MD, NY, OR, WA)



157 posted on 02/09/2008 7:16:53 PM PST by Edit35
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To: Rock&RollRepublican
Here, let me go even further for the vein you're exploring: Legislatures commonly pay for funding that goes to Planned Parenthood, even if not earmarked for "abortion services." Still, it goes into the coffers of the abortion industry. Another example: Local & state & congressional legislatures fund corrections systems. Female inmates get abortion. Therefore, yes, the abortion industry is funded all throughout our systems. And it's not just legislatures involved in allocation of such monies. It's you and me, Joe Taxpayers.

So you take the $ line argument back far enough, we're part of the problem as well (especially when we don't object or try to make a difference).

But I've been saying for almost 20 years that our whole culture undergirds the abortion industry.

But does that then mean because of our own often indirect ties to abortion that we can never speak out against it or those who expand its availability? (I don't think so)

So, the answer to your medicaid question is obvious. Of course, Hunter & the other legislatures fund abortions...and it's not limited to the example you gave. Are we to be ho-hum about that? (No)

So what then is a "reasonable" level of accountability to expect of a legislator, governor, or POTUS? My answer to that is to hold them accountable for a reasonable determination of their sphere of influence.

Example: A POTUS can implement the Mexico City Policy (like Reagan & George W. Bush) to keep $ out of the hands of the international abortion industry. A POTUS can also effect embryonic stem cell research policy. A POTUS can also nominate pro-life justices & other judges. A POTUS can put pro-lifers in key administrative/bureaucratic positions. A POTUS can even diminish domestic funding for the abortion industry.

Notice I said "diminish." I don't think it would be "reasonable" that a POTUS would be able to totally eliminate domestic funding of Planned Parenthood.

So you hold a rep accountable for the reasonable exercise of their sphere of influence. Example of a consideration: Did they seek or lead a policy or initiative that expanded abortion services--even if it was not the main thrust of the policy? A legislator voting for appropriations $ for Medicaid services isn't necessarily doing so. (You yourself showed that Medicaid funding in certain states doesn't cover abortion; secondly some states have more recently added "after-the-fact" court orders to previous-already-legislature-decided appropriations decisions. IOW, the funding decisions for abortion came in thru side-door judges, not front-door legislators. Please note that in my crit of Romney I've been consistent with that.

Countless times (a dozen or more) of posts I've haven't tried to hold Romney accountable for all 7% of the uninsured in MA now covered by RomneyCare. When folks pointed out that MA was under court order to fund low-income women Medicaid eligible, I didn't contend that. What I did contend was the over 4% of the MA population who earn above Medicaid level. Romney himself said that almost 1/4th of the MA uninsured earned $75,000 or more. That's almost 2% of the female pop in MA.

From other figures I extrapolated that another over 2% earn above Medicaid & below $75,000.

I think it is "unreasonable" to hold Romney accountable for the court order in MA aimed at low-income women. But they were less than 40% of the uninsured in MA. Therefore, the crit of $50 abortion subsidies in MA still holds.

161 posted on 02/09/2008 9:32:40 PM PST by Colofornian
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