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To: metmom
The fundamental difference is that I, and most other Scientists who are Christian, believe that God used natural means to create the universe and that these means can be measured and predicted. This is the opposite of the “Goddidit” philosophy that he went ‘abracadabra’ and used unknown and unmeasurable forces to bring it all about.

One philosophy is perfectly consonant with spirituality, Christianity and theism; but assumes that the universe is predictable and ordered. The other philosophy is that the universe is not perfectly ordered, and God needed to intercede to get the result HE wanted, and Science has no way of measuring or predicting this intercession. Miracles are the realm of God, not the realm of Science.

I.D. seeks to explain the natural phenomena of common descent (yes I.D. believes in the common descent of all life) by saying it could not happen by natural means and that therefore Miraculous intervention was needed. This is not Science and it has not been a productive philosophy. It tells you everything about nothing and nothing about everything. It has no explanatory or predictive power.

202 posted on 02/04/2008 9:35:34 AM PST by allmendream ("A Lyger is pretty much my favorite animal."NapoleonD (nocrybabyconservatives))
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To: allmendream
The other philosophy is that the universe is not perfectly ordered, and God needed to intercede to get the result HE wanted, ....

What other philosophy is that?

...and Science has no way of measuring or predicting this intercession.

Yet. But with that mentality, the discussion is over. You have decided that you have your answer. Since you have decided that it is not possible to find out or measure it, it leads to the mentality that we need look no further. It is an empty and soulless endeavor that has produced nothing and explains nothing.

Miracles are the realm of God, not the realm of Science.

Except that miracles happen, they intrude on the material, physical universe that we inhabit. Miracles are excluded from scientific research because they don't fit. What a wonderful way to learn more about our world, ignore what doesn't fit in your box. Again, shutting down inquiry because it doesn't fit in your world view.

263 posted on 02/04/2008 1:40:04 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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