Jesus Tomb Case Closed for Most Scholars (It's NOT His Tomb).

Christian Post ^ | Jan. 24,2008 | Katherine T. Phan

[Fractal Trader]

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[Unam Sanctam]

Of course Easter’s coming soon, so I presume they’re already working on their next Christianity-bashing media event.

[uglybiker]

...challenging most Christians’ belief in the bodily resurrection of Jesus from the dead.

Okay. So the tomb in question is not Jesus's tomb.

How does that challenge Christian belief?

[Mr Ramsbotham]

In the film, Cameron and Jacobovici suggested that archaeologists had found the family tomb of Jesus Christ in Jerusalem, challenging most Christians’ belief in the bodily resurrection of Jesus from the dead. The duo went further to also suggest that Mary Magdalene was buried in the tomb, that she and Jesus were married, and that an ossuary labeled "Judah son of Jesus" belonged to their alleged son.

I thought Jesus and his family were from Galilee. And I think I'd like to have a nickle for every "Judah son of Jesus" there were in Judaea and the surrounding provinces in the first century a.d.

[SunkenCiv]

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[jalisco555]

Cameron is as much of a revisionist blowhard as Oliver Stone. His film ‘Titanic’ should have been titled ‘Titanic Lies.’

What do you mean? I realize the main characters were fictional but apart from that where did he lie?

[Pyro7480]

It isn’t just that Jesus didn’t rise from the dead. They claim He didn’t die on the Cross in the first place!

[marinamuffy]

That is because the purpose isn’t to make money, but to put doubt into the mind of people sitting on the fence.

Exactly. And the worst part was that, during all of the hype, many in the media seemed to be saying that even if this was Jesus' tomb it was really no big deal. Scripture says otherwise:

And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are to be pitied more than all men. ~ 1 Corinthians 15: 17-19

[WorkingClassFilth]

1. His constant theme of class warfare was the underlying focus of the film’s message. In fact, percentages of those lost were hardest on the 2nd class passengers - not the steerage class.

2. The nearly consistent portrayal of first class society as little more than the excesses of greedy pigs and his fawning embellishment of steerage passengers as the salt-of-the-earth was so lopsided as to be little more than a rote socialist boilerplate. Being working class filth myself, I know a thing or two about life in the steerage class.

3. His portrayal of Mr. Guggenheim as a drunken fop was absolutely groundless. By all accounts, he did, in fact, die like a gentleman with dignity.

4. His portrayal of the ship’s officers was a disgrace to the actual men. To a man, he made them incompetent, arrogant and utterly careless. To be sure, it is easy to make judgments from the perspective of a century later (especially from a warm place on land), but both the British and American inquiries found little direct negligence on the part of the ship’s officers either before or during the collision.

5. Cameron chose to portray the final minutes of the Titanic as one of chaos and panic. Actually, the facts weighed by corroborated testimony show the ship was quite orderly right up until she went perpendicular to the water. In the film, pandemonium is present from an early stage and included rushes on the boats, pistol fire by officers and the shooting of passengers. In fact, almost all stations were loaded in an orderly fashion. Gunfire to control panic remains, to this day, a largely unsubstantiated story. No reliable testimony includes the story of officers shooting passengers.

6. Perhaps the most egregious lie was his bald face smear of First Officer Murdoch. Mr. Murdoch was shown taking a bribe, acting as a coward and general incompetent, shooting a passenger and, ultimately, killing himself. None of these events occurred. No direct testimony concludes that Mr. Murdoch shot himself - only a couple second hand stories that under closer scrutiny only described the suicide as that of a "senior officer". Mr. Lightoller himself says he saw Murdoch swept from the deck while attempting to launch a collapsible from his vantage point directly above him. This groundless attack on Murdoch was so outrageous that his hometown rose up and demanded an apology - in fact, it became an emotional national story in Britain at the time of the film’s play in theaters. Fox admitted that much of the film’s portrayal had no reliable basis and quietly came through with an 5,000 Pound endowment for the scholarship set up in his memory. True to form, however, the weasels involved (Cameron & Fox) refused to make an open and public apology. Cameron’s later film ‘Ghosts of the Abyss’ describes First Officer Murdoch as heroic and said his actions saved many lives.

In short, lying scum who are gutless and unable to admit their agenda or face the fallout of their smear tactics. Too bad Cameron’s ancestors weren’t on the Titanic... I could go on, but Cameron isn't worth the time.

[ThanhPhero]

Someone looked at the ossuaries and said”well it could be... What if? and the press ran with it.

[jalisco555]

Thanks for the response. I’d have to say that my major objection was the Billy Zane character, who was an over the top caricature. I don’t know enough about the actual events to otherwise comment but I appreciate your sharing your knowledge.

[WorkingClassFilth]

You’re welcome. I have a limited interest in the Titanic but I am much more concerned about the way history is re-cast in the minds of today’s populace.

Cameron was scrupulous (maybe obsessive is a better word) in accurately recreating the portions of the vessel where extensive shooting was done. In fact, he even went to Harland & Wolff for the original blueprints to rebuild a scale replica. In full scale, he had the same carpets woven by the original manufacturers, china patterns recreated by the same Houses that did the originals, exact lifeboat davits built down to the castings - the whole shebang. Then, he proceeded to make-up a revisionist story about class warfare and Marxian economics all cast in the language, behavior and morals of today’s youth. Even the present day ‘heroine’ was a typical aged hippie archetype; proto-feminist, free-love, free-spirit potter artist. Blechh!

There is quite of bit of Titanic revisionism going on today. She has ceased to be history and has become a trademark and business vehicle and, as such, an attractive tool for co-option by the left. IMO, it is the same as serving dung on a sterling silver service.