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The Death of the GOP and the Birth of a New Political Party
RMS941 ^ | 1/29/08 | AJ Madison

Posted on 01/29/2008 9:52:21 PM PST by pissant

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To: luvadavi

I think we are stuck with Falcon unless AJ Madison is persuaded otherwise.


341 posted on 01/30/2008 1:32:05 PM PST by pissant (Time for a CONSERVATIVE party)
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To: pissant

wow this must be a dream then :)


342 posted on 01/30/2008 1:32:30 PM PST by ari-freedom (Romney isn't pro-choice. He's multiple choice.)
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To: littlehouse36

We are the wood and they are the termites.


343 posted on 01/30/2008 1:35:17 PM PST by firebrand
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To: pissant

Dang. One sentence in and already there’s a typo.

Someone needs to tell Alex the J that “its” =\= “it’s.”


344 posted on 01/30/2008 1:35:36 PM PST by Xenalyte (Can you count, suckas? I say the future is ours . . . if you can count.)
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To: Xenalyte

Well, I’m sure the new party could use a proof reader. :o)


345 posted on 01/30/2008 1:38:22 PM PST by pissant (Time for a CONSERVATIVE party)
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To: pissant
We did the right thing. We supported the best candidate. Now it's time to give renewed energy to the conservative fight. Not by forming a third party but by more sacrifice and hard work: giving money to the most conservative people running for Congress, building the conservative spirit in our own neighborhoods, just doing more than we have been doing.

The liberal philosophy is easy to like because it just simply allows you to do whatever you want. People are basically voting for their favorite sins when they vote liberal: abortion, homosexuality, cowardice in time of war, grabbing entitlements instead of being responsible for oneself, etc. The conservative point of view takes more work, because it does not bring the perks that the liberal philosophy brings: it is simply correct, and requires logic, persuasive arguments, faith in what we believe.

The proper reaction to having a less conservative Republican than we would like is, IMHO, to vote for him but to resolve to be even more dedicated and energetic in the conservative cause than we have been.

346 posted on 01/30/2008 1:45:08 PM PST by firebrand
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To: pissant

Can *t waste energy arguing over names, I like FALCON; just a random thought, we should do some *outing*—expose the names and deeds of the head honchos, the top RINOs in the GOP who have led us down this path, and somehow bring about their downfall plus the replacements when they are forced to get out of the leadership. Do you remember Ford needing a VP when Agnew resigned? He wanted Nelson Rockefeller, and instantly conservatives sprang to the challenge; *Rocky* was submitted to a regular Congressional investigation and public interview or whatever it was, he was put before public scrutiny for all to see what they were getting. He was accepted, but it was another nail in the coffin for Ford and he being a leftwing Republican lost in *76 to Carter. We need to expose the worst ones frequently. I don*t even know the RNC boss* name.


347 posted on 01/30/2008 1:46:14 PM PST by luvadavi ((.....gentlemen songsters, off on a spree -- damned from here to eternity! ))
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To: luvadavi

Teh RNC boss? Isn’t it Mel Martinez??


348 posted on 01/30/2008 1:48:20 PM PST by pissant (Time for a CONSERVATIVE party)
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To: pissant

..what can I say—Madison stirs it up again!


349 posted on 01/30/2008 1:57:15 PM PST by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: WalterSkinner

It is starting to spread...

http://theamericanwriter2007.blogspot.com/2008/01/death-of-gop-and-birth-of-new-political.html


350 posted on 01/30/2008 1:58:24 PM PST by pissant (Time for a CONSERVATIVE party)
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To: taxcontrol
it’s head in the sand, we are not at war with terrorists, is simply unsound and unsafe

..amen, they are like the GOP of 1936

351 posted on 01/30/2008 2:00:32 PM PST by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: CindyDawg

..I’m holding out for Bull Moose II


352 posted on 01/30/2008 2:02:41 PM PST by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: littlehouse36
Open question: Why is it that liberals are so good at being subversives (and I mean everywhere: schools, churches, politics) and conservatives break off and begin anew? New media, charter schools, evangelical movement... and then the conservatives are labeled “fringe” and laughed at by the mother organization.

Because, unlike liberals, conservatives are impatient, unobservant, and socially/politically inept.

We always seem to be after victory in The One Big Battle, whereas liberals are always happy to accept incremental gains. (This goes back to patience....) Liberals know very well how to avoid the One Big Battle, and are also very adept at choosing their ground when the One Big Battle cannot be avoided. And (because they're patient), liberals know that there is really no such thing as One Big Battle: they need only wait until the conservatives stop paying attention, and they can begin digging again.

Also, conservatives tend to be incredibly naive about the rules of the game. For example, we always seem to assume that the other side accepts the same set of rules, and we insist on playing by "conservative" rules even when it's clear that those rules don't apply.

By extension, conservatives generally have no clue about how to deal with situations where there is not already broad agreement on the problem or its solution. We generally fall back on behaving against all evidence as if everybody did agree ... which is the road to marginalization.

Finally, conservatives will usually favor principle over practicality, and we tend to bash people over the head with our principles without considering how our presentation will be perceived. Peoples' feelings matter, especially in politics, and lots of times we come across as ranting SOBs. Forget the principle -- folks will reject the conservative message based on our unpleasantness.

The late pundit Samuel Francis used to call the GOP "the Stupid Party." The above are a few of the reasons why.

353 posted on 01/30/2008 2:29:24 PM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb

You are conflating conservatives with Republicans.


354 posted on 01/30/2008 2:31:58 PM PST by pissant (Time for a CONSERVATIVE party)
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To: pissant
You are conflating conservatives with Republicans.

Nope. It's a mindset thing, not a party thing. The analysis applies just as well to the difficulities facing mainstream religious bodies in the US.

355 posted on 01/30/2008 2:36:01 PM PST by r9etb
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To: pissant
It's time.

Good article.

I thought it was about time with the arrogant Republican ruling establishment drove the party into a ditch in 2006, when they leaned nothing after having their heads handed to them in the 06 election.

356 posted on 01/30/2008 2:37:45 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: littlehouse36

exactly.


357 posted on 01/30/2008 2:40:55 PM PST by ProCivitas (Pro-America = Pro-Family + Fair Trade = Duncan Hunter for President (gohunter08.com))
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To: r9etb

The problem ‘conservatives’ are having is that within the GOP, we are opposed by liberals and moderates.

The vast majority of conservatives know that global warming is a fraud.

Yet, we have 4 candidates vying for the the nomination that raised their hands faster than Clint Eastwood draws his weapon when asked in a debate if GW is a “serious problem”

The vast majority of conservatives despise political correctness, yet here we are with a government full of diversity trainers, genuflects to Ramadan, “holiday” trees, and a prime contender of the GOP nomination who said: “I believe that public companies and federal agencies should be required to report in their annual 10K the number of minorities and women by income group within the company so we can identify where the ‘glass ceiling’ is”

Conservatives are near universal in their opposition to amnesty, yet here we are with one of its architects as the front runner.

The party has moved left, so the real battle between conservatism and liberalism is taking place within the republican party. And we are losing.


358 posted on 01/30/2008 2:45:13 PM PST by pissant (Time for a CONSERVATIVE party)
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To: dowcaet
I don’t think the third party option is the way to go. You have to repair the mess from within.

When a vehicle is hit broadside by a train traveling at 70 mph, the vehicle is totalled, and there is little to be salvaged. The same applies here. Too much corruption, to many entrenched insiders, too many career government hacks, too much arrogance etc. I don't think it can be fixed...Too many deep seated problems, that are not getting better, but worse.

359 posted on 01/30/2008 2:46:51 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: pissant

I’m game. I like the name.


360 posted on 01/30/2008 2:53:17 PM PST by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue. It is the business of all of humanity.)
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