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To: supercat

I agree . McPain has just as much of a mixed record as Romney on the gun issue . I think Romney would be far more controllable on that issue . McPain likes to ram things down our throats ....get ready it’s going to be a rough ride ....


3,317 posted on 01/29/2008 9:34:48 PM PST by Neu Pragmatist (McPain = Amnesty . Downticket Republican voting only .)
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To: Neu Pragmatist
McPain has just as much of a mixed record as Romney on the gun issue...

The issue isn't just record. McCain regards conservatives as enemies. While Hillary would have some difficulty getting unified Democrat support behind clearly-unjustifiable attacks on conservatives, McCain would have no such problem. Both McCain and Hillary would like to be dictators-for-life, but McCain would be more likely to get away with it.

3,333 posted on 01/29/2008 9:44:37 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: Neu Pragmatist
McCain's attacks on Romney are so disingenuous.

The only gun-owners who would support him are those who view the 2nd Amendment through the prism of hunting-and to a lesser extent, self-protection-and are mostly from the left. If you ask people from GOA or JPFO you get a much broader perspective, i.e. you can't shred the Bill of Rights without destroying the RKBA.

The right to keep and bear arms is the cornerstone of our Constitution, and everyone knows that there's nothing McCain despises more than that document.

3,339 posted on 01/29/2008 9:46:41 PM PST by Reaganite1984
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To: Neu Pragmatist; Tennessee Nana

I know you didn’t want McCain, but we’ve been telling you all that a vote against Romney was a vote for McCain. THompson failed to stop McCain in Iowa (his bare 3rd-place finish wasn’t enough). Thompson abandoned New Hampshire — if he had worked hard there, he could easily have taken 5% from McCain.

Giuliani never was going to beat McCain once Rudy lost favor as the darling media personality.

Romney as flawed as people said he was was the only candidate who could stop McCain.

BTW, Huckabee might have been able to, and would have been better on gun rights and many other things, except that he made some deal with the devil and turned into a McCain puppet.

BTW, I would actually feel better voting for a Huckabee/McCain ticket, than a McCain/Huckabee ticket. I don’t want to groom Huckabee for a run in 4 years, but as President he’d be better than McCain except on gravitas and McCain would have that as the VP.

But now there’s no chance of that either. IF Romney had won, and you hated Romney, you’d have the change to get Huckabee enough votes for a brokered convention where Huckabee could try to woo McCain to the VP slot. Oh, never mind, McCain wasn’t taking the VP slot.

Romney was the only shot at stopping Giuliani and McCain. I hoped Fred would do it, but he proved not up to the task. And since Romney was rejected by conservatives until it was too late, we got what I could have predicted last year — McCain.

There’s still hope, but it’s going to take a lot more than a few conservatives now. And unfortunately, it’s a long shot and in the meantime we might destroy McCain so that even if he wins the nomination he will never win the election (some would like that, I’d rather not have Obama as President).

So other than a few freepers who actually like McCain, and Tennesse Nana who thinks that this is great opportunity for an affirmative action VP slot appointment, we are pretty much all going to have to work hard for something, but I don’t know what yet.


3,377 posted on 01/29/2008 10:22:20 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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