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[McCain warning] Republican Candidates Mike Huckabee and Ron Paul Lead Pro-Life Rallies:
LifeSiteNews.com ^ | January 25, 2008 | By Peter J. Smith

Posted on 01/25/2008 6:33:05 PM PST by Quiet Man Jr.

McCain Continues to Support Embryo Destroying Research Embarrassing Brownback

WASHINGTON, D.C., January 25, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Pro-life GOP presidential contenders Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee both took part in leading pro-life rallies in Washington and Atlanta protesting 35 years of abortion since the infamous 1973 Roe v. Wade decision and called for legislation protecting life from the moment of conception. Republican frontrunner John McCain, however, reiterated his support for embryo destroying stem-cell research even as his Senate colleague Sam Brownback reaffirmed his endorsement of McCain at the National March for Life.

"The debate about when life begins should not be a debate," Rep. Ron Paul told the tens of thousands of marchers rallied together on the Washington Mall. "Let me assure you that all life begins at conception."

Paul, an OB/GYN doctor who delivered more than 4,000 babies in his career, told the crowds that in medical school he "quickly learned" that "when I dealt with a pregnant woman I always had two patients."

Paul has sponsored pro-life bills such as H.R. 300, which would nullify the legal force of Roe v. Wade by removing the ability of federal courts to interfere with state laws regarding abortion. Paul also wrote legislation that would define life as beginning at conception (H.R. 1094) and renewed his call to make legal protections for life from conception.

"You cannot defend liberty without defending life," Paul firmly stated.

Paul has gained the endorsement of Norma McCorvey, "Jane Roe" of Roe v. Wade, who is reported in a press release from the Paul campaign as saying, "He has never wavered on the issue of being pro-life and has a voting record to prove it." McCorvey goes on to say, "He understands the importance of civil liberties for all, including the unborn. "

"After taking all of the presidential candidates into consideration, it is obvious that Ron Paul is the only one that doesn't just talk the talk," McCorvey stated.

Former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee also led a record crowd of more than 5,000 pro-life demonstrators at a rally in Atlanta organized by Georgia Right to Life to show his support for a new state amendment that would directly challenge the foundations of Roe v. Wade.

"The Paramount Right to Human Life Amendment" or HR 536 sponsored by Rep. Martin Scott, R-Rossville would define human life as beginning at conception and state life is a right to be held above all others.

"We're in the middle of 35 years of a national nightmare that needs to end soon," Huckabee said. "I've always said I got into politics because I'm pro-life."

"There cannot be a geographical distinction when it comes down to something that is either right or wrong," Huckabee continued. "The logic that each of the states can come up with their own definition of how to respect human life is the logic of the Civil War. And we saw how that turned out." Huckabee emphasized that abortion "is not a political issue, it is a moral issue" and called for a similar amendment protecting life to the US constitution. The candidate did not mention his own run for the GOP nomination, which is struggling from lack of funds. Huckabee has received the endorsement of Georgia Right to Life.

While campaigning in Florida where he hopes to pick up another primary win, Arizona Sen. John McCain told the Catholic News Agency (CNA) that he still stands by his support for embryonic stem-cell research on what he called "surplus" embryos. The statements came even as staunchly pro-life Sen. Sam Brownback repeated his strong endorsement of McCain at the National March for Life and tried to reassure the crowds of McCain's pro-life credentials. McCain's choice appeared to convey the agony of "personally pro-life" politicians who support legal abortion saying his vote was "a very agonizing and tough decision."

"All I can say to you is that I went back and forth, back and forth on it and I came in on one of the toughest decisions I've ever had, in favor of that research. And one reason being very frankly is those embryos will be either discarded or kept in permanent frozen status," he told CNA. McCain then added, "I understand how divisive this is among the pro-life community."

The latest poll from NBC and the Wall Street Journal shows Sen. McCain as the national frontrunner with 29% support, followed by Huckabee with 23 percent, former Gov. Mitt Romney at 20 percent, Rudy Giuliani at 15 percent, and Ron Paul at 4 percent. McCain and Romney are currently neck-and-neck going into Florida, January 29, the last primary before the Super Tuesday primary on February 5.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; embryonicstemcell; huckabee; marchforlife2008; prolife; prolifevote; ronpaul
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To: tear gas
I thought that Romney is the pro-life candidate.

Ha ha ha ha ha............

21 posted on 01/25/2008 8:31:56 PM PST by JohnnyZ ("Make all the promises you have to" -- Mitt Romney)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian; George W. Bush; Revelation 911; NapkinUser; DreamsofPolycarp; The_Eaglet; ...

Let Freedom Ping!


22 posted on 01/25/2008 8:37:34 PM PST by CJ Wolf (To Join or leave the offical Ron Paul 'let freedom' Ping, Freepmail me.)
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To: Quiet Man Jr.

Huckabee and Ron Paul are anti-abortion but they are not anti-euthanasia. They are not 100 per cent pro-life.


23 posted on 01/25/2008 8:38:33 PM PST by floriduh voter (TERRI'S DAY MARCH 31, 2008 Remember Terri's hopes & fears, not the cowards.)
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

They are not anti-euthanasia so they are not really pro-life.


24 posted on 01/25/2008 8:40:29 PM PST by floriduh voter (TERRI'S DAY MARCH 31, 2008 Remember Terri's hopes & fears, not the cowards.)
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To: CJ Wolf

bttt!


25 posted on 01/25/2008 8:44:32 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: floriduh voter

What Paul had to say about your obsession.

Before the US House of Representatives, April 6, 2005.

Clearly no one wins in the legal and political battles over the death of Terri Schiavo. Although it has been terribly politicized, a valuable debate has emerged. This debate is not about abortion or euthanasia in general, nor about death in the abstract. It’s about an individual’s right to life and the value of life itself. Without concern for the life of each individual, liberty is meaningless and indefensible.

This debate deals with the passive treatment of the critically and terminally ill. This type of decision is manageable most of the time without government interference, but circumstances in this case made it difficult to determine proper guardianship. The unprecedented level of government involvement, questions about which branch of government had the ultimate say, and what the explicit intent of the patient was, brought national attention to what was otherwise a family conflict.

Terri Schiavo is a unique case, and unfortunately her fate ended up in the hands of lawyers, judges, and the legislators. The media certainly did their part in disrupting her final days.

In a free society the doctor and the patient – or his or her designated spokesperson – make the decision, short of using violence, in dealing with death and dying issues. The government stays out of it.

This debate, though, shows that one life is indeed important. It is not an esoteric subject; it’s a real life involved and a personal issue we can’t ignore, especially in this age of Medicare, with government now responsible for most of the medical bills.

We’re rapidly moving toward a time when these decisions will be based on the cost of care alone, since government pays all the bills under nationalized health care. As we defer to the state for our needs, and parental power is transferred to government, it is casually expected that government will be making more and more of these decisions. This has occurred in education, general medical care, and psychological testing. The government now can protect the so-called right of a teenager to have an abortion, sometimes paid for by the government, without notifying the parents.

Free-market medicine is not perfect, but it’s the best system to sort out these difficult problems – and it did so for years.

Eventually, government medicine surely will ignore the concern for a single patient as a person, and instead a computer program and cost analysis will make the determination. It will be said to be more efficient, though morally unjustified, to allow a patient to die by court order rather than permitting family and friends to assume responsibility for the cost of keeping patients alive.

There’s plenty of hypocrisy to go around on both sides of this lingering and prolonged debate. In this instance we heard some very sound arguments from the left defending states’ rights and family responsibility, while criticizing the federal government involvement. I’m anxious for the day when those who made these arguments join me in defending the Constitution and states’ rights, especially the 9th and 10th Amendments, on many other economic and social issues. I won’t hold my breath.

More importantly, where are those who rightfully condemn congressional meddling in the Schiavo case – because of federalism and separation of powers – on the issue of abortion? These same folks strongly defend Roe vs. Wade and the so-called constitutional right to abort healthy human fetuses at any stage. There’s no hesitation to demand support of this phony right from both Congress and the federal courts. Not only do they demand federal legal protection for abortion, they insist that abortion foes be forced to fund this act that many of them equate with murder.

It’s too bad that philosophic consistency and strict adherence to the Constitution are not a high priority for many Members. But perhaps this “flexibility” in administering the rule of law helps create problems such as we faced in the Schiavo ordeal.

Though the left produced some outstanding arguments for the federal government staying out of this controversy, they frequently used an analogy that could never persuade those of us who believe in a free society guided by the constraints of the Constitution. They argued that if conservatives who supported prolonging Terri’s life would only spend more money on welfare, they would demonstrate sincere concern for the right to life. This is false logic and does nothing to build the case for a local government solution to a feeding tube debate.

First, all wealth transfers depend on an authoritarian state willing to use lethal force to satisfy the politicians’ notion of an unachievable fair society. Robbing Peter to pay Paul, no matter how well intentioned, can never be justified. It’s theft, plain and simple, and morally wrong. Actually, welfare is anti-prosperity; so it can’t be pro-life. Too often good intentions are motivated only by the good that someone believes will result from the transfer program. They never ask who must pay, who must be threatened, who must be arrested and imprisoned. They never ask whether the welfare funds taken by forcible taxation could have helped someone in a private or voluntary way.

Practically speaking, welfare rarely works. The hundreds of billions of dollars spent on the war on poverty over the last 50 years has done little to eradicate poverty. Matter-of-fact, worthwhile studies show that poverty is actually made worse by government efforts to eradicate poverty. Certainly the whole system does nothing to build self-esteem and more often than not does exactly the opposite.

My suggestion to my colleagues, who did argue convincingly that Congress should not be involved in the Schiavo case, is please consider using these same arguments consistently and avoid the false accusation that if one opposes increases in welfare one is not pro-life. Being pro-liberty and pro-Constitution is indeed being pro-life, as well as pro-prosperity.

Conservatives on the other hand are equally inconsistent in their arguments for life. There’s little hesitation by the conservative right to come to Congress to promote their moral agenda even when it’s not within the jurisdiction of the federal government to do so. Take for instance the funding of faith-based charities. The process is of little concern to conservatives if their agenda is met by passing more federal laws and increasing spending. Instead of concentrating on the repeal of Roe vs. Wade and eliminating federal judicial authority over issues best dealt with at the state level, more federal laws are passed, which strictly speaking should not be the prerogative of the federal government.

The biggest shortcoming of the Christian Right position is its adamancy for protecting life in the very early, late, and weakened stages, while enthusiastically supporting aggressive war that results in hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths. While the killing of the innocent unborn represents a morally decadent society, and all life deserves an advocate, including Terri Schiavo, promoting a policy of deadly sanctions and all-out war against a nation that committed no act of aggression against us cannot come close to being morally consistent or defendable under our Constitution.

The one issue generally ignored in the Schiavo debate is the subtle influence the cost of care for the dying had on the debate. Government-paid care clouds the issue, and it must be noted that the courts ruled out any privately paid care for Terri. It could be embarrassing in a government-run nursing home to see some patients receiving extra care from families while others are denied the same. However, as time goes on, the economics of care will play even a greater role since under socialized medicine the state makes all the decisions based on affordability. Then there will be no debate as we just witnessed in the case of Terri Schiavo.

Having practiced medicine in simpler times, agonizing problems like we just witnessed in this case did not arise. Yes, similar medical decisions were made and have been made for many, many years. But lawyers weren’t involved, nor the courts nor the legislators nor any part of the government – only the patient, the patient’s family, and the doctor. No one would have dreamed of making a federal case of the dying process.

A society and a government that lose respect for life help create dilemmas of this sort. Today there is little respect for life – witness the number of abortions performed each year. There is little respect for liberty – witness the rules and laws that regulate our every move. There is little respect for peace – witness our eagerness to initiate war to impose our will on others. Tragically, government financing of the elderly, out of economic necessity, will usher in an age of euthanasia.

The accountants already have calculated that if the baby-boomer generation is treated to allow maximum longevity without quality of life concerns, we’re talking about $7 trillion in additional medical costs. Economists will determine the outcome, and personal decisions will vanish. National health care, of necessity, will always conflict with personal choices.

Compounding the cost problems that will lead to government ordered euthanasia is the fact that costs always skyrocket in government-run programs. This is true whether it’s a $300 hammer for the Pentagon or an emergency room visit for a broken toe. And in addition deficit financing, already epidemic because of our flawed philosophy of guns and butter, always leads to inflation when a country operates on a paper money system.

Without a renewal in the moral fiber of the country and respect for the constitutional rule of law, we can expect a lot more and worse problems than we witnessed in the case of Terri Schiavo. When dying and medical care becomes solely a commercial event, we will long for the days of debating what was best for Terri.

Hopefully, this messy debate will lead more Members to be convinced that all life is precious, that family and patient wishes should be respected, and that government jurisprudence and financing falls far short of providing a just solution in these difficult matters.


26 posted on 01/25/2008 8:52:01 PM PST by KDD (A nod is as good as a wink to a blind horse)
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To: indylindy
Thats it. Ron Paul is the man. Beats Hucklebee.

Come on in indy, the water's warm! Blackbird.

27 posted on 01/25/2008 8:52:25 PM PST by BlackbirdSST (Go Ron Go!!!)
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To: KDD

Murder is not health care.


28 posted on 01/25/2008 9:04:26 PM PST by floriduh voter (TERRI'S DAY MARCH 31, 2008 Remember Terri's hopes & fears, not the cowards.)
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To: floriduh voter
Insanity is not creativity.
29 posted on 01/25/2008 9:07:04 PM PST by KDD (A nod is as good as a wink to a blind horse)
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To: KDD; Admin Moderator

Pls tell this Ron Paul voter KDD to knock it off. Will there be a third post inferring I’m obsessed and insane? I hope not. Good night.


30 posted on 01/25/2008 9:20:44 PM PST by floriduh voter (TERRI'S DAY MARCH 31, 2008 Remember Terri's hopes & fears, not the cowards.)
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To: Quiet Man Jr.
McCain is and has always been pro life. But, if you’re speaking of a zygote, a potential human being is, IMO, cannot be such until implantation occurs in the womb. I’m always amazed at the irony of FReepers screaming about “embryonic life” (stem cells) when birth control pills are designed specifically to prevent implantation, not conception.
31 posted on 01/25/2008 9:27:54 PM PST by meandog (Please pray for future President McCain!)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Gulianni - Pro-Abortion
Romney - Pro-Abortion
McCain - Will vote in the Senate for stem-cell research
Yeppers, an event like that will sort them out...”
__________________________
Abortion is my litmus test....everything else falls into place below that priority. I will vote only for a SOLID pro-life candidate.


32 posted on 01/25/2008 10:08:55 PM PST by cowdog77 (Circle the Wagons)
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To: Quiet Man Jr.

This is good information as this is a very important issue to me and some others I know that are undecided.


33 posted on 01/25/2008 10:32:46 PM PST by NoCountryForLiberals
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To: floriduh voter

Huckabee is pro-death penalty also.


34 posted on 01/26/2008 12:49:27 AM PST by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: elizabetty
People who want to actually win the presidency cannot attend these events during the campaign.

We'll do what it right and leave the winning to God.

1 Corinthians 15
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

35 posted on 01/26/2008 5:51:37 AM PST by Theophilus (Nothing can make Americans safer than to stop aborting them.)
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To: elizabetty

“People who want to actually win the presidency cannot attend these events during the campaign.”

This is an issue that Ron Paul is WAY ahead of the other politicians —not a surprise considering his previous career.

During the election year he has been on a fair number of “liberal” talk shows and interviewed by left-leaning talk showhosts, so no surprise these people that support him for his anti-war, pro-civil liberties positions ALWAYS ask him about abortion and disagree with him. He does the BEST job I have ever heard of defending his position and turning it into an issue of legality. He does not use religion to justify his position, he uses the constitution and logic. He quite simply tears their position APART.

For example, on “The View” hotbed of liberal women thinkers he gets these women to really “think” about the issue, maybe for the first time in their lives.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QPysYWw34T8
I doubt any other candidate could have defended this position as well with these women.


36 posted on 01/26/2008 6:15:20 AM PST by specsaregood (Join the rEVOLution)
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To: meandog
...birth control pills are designed specifically to prevent implantation, not conception.

Abortaficient birth control is no less an abomination than surgical abortion, magnifying our culpability before God to unimaginable numbers of souls.

37 posted on 01/26/2008 6:15:39 AM PST by Theophilus (Nothing can make Americans safer than to stop aborting them.)
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To: Theophilus
Abortaficient birth control is no less an abomination than surgical abortion, magnifying our culpability before God to unimaginable numbers of souls.

Okay, explain that to the cretin hypocrites here who screach about stemcell research then go home and either use "the pill" or demand that their wife/girlfriend do.

38 posted on 01/26/2008 6:20:01 AM PST by meandog (Please pray for future President McCain!)
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To: floriduh voter; KDD
"Murder is not health care."

Is your post not incindiary?

I admit that I may have missed that Huckabee and Paul are FOR euthinasia, so please give me the evidence.

While I may agree that euthinasia can be considered murder, I think your post was specifically designed to imply that Huckabee and Paul are murderers.

Please post your evidence of Huck and Ron being pro-euthinasia.

39 posted on 01/28/2008 5:51:50 AM PST by Designer
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To: Quiet Man Jr.

Apparently, the issue has become so hopelessly radioactive that only candidates who know they can’t win and can only hope to influence the process a bit dare show their faces.


40 posted on 01/28/2008 6:13:21 AM PST by steve-b (Sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. All other "sins" are invented nonsense. --RAH)
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