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You were saying — “But as I say, no matter how many times you keep saying up is down, it doesn’t make it so.”

You’re right about that. AND, that works both ways. In other words, the fact that Mormons are classified as a “non-Christian cult group” — is not true because I “simply say so” — and — neither is it *not so* — simply because “you say so”.

What “makes it so” (since it’s not on the basis of you own “authority” saying no or my own “authority” saying yes) — is — the examination that many researchers have made — outlining and *documenting* the Mormon teachings and doctrines — and showing where they deviate from Christian teachings and doctrines.

That’s very easy to show — and has nothing to do with either you saying “no” and/or me simply saying “yes”.

For example, one teaching is that Satan is the spirit brother of Jesus. That is easily verified by anyone who wants to check it out. Christian teaching and doctrine totally *rejects* that (as the Bible teaches something *totally different*). However Mormons teach (and assert) that it is true (i.e., that Jesus is the spirit brother of Satan).

Christianity teaches and has for its doctrines that Satan was created an angel — while Jesus (as the Son of God, and one part of the Trinity) was never created or born, in His divine nature. He (Jesus) is a being that is *not* (and never was) in the same class, status or being as Satan, because Satan had a “beginning” and Jesus, as the Son of God, never had a beginning, was never born, and has always been the same uncaused and forever-existent being, and one part of the Trinity, existing outside of time and matter.

In fact, Christianity teaches that Jesus, in his forever-pre-existent divine nature, existing before the creation of the world and universe and before “time and matter”, as the uncaused being, one part of the Trinity — was the one who actually “created” Satan, as an angel, in the beginning. Thus, Jesus in his divine nature is the uncaused and forever-pre-existent being of the Trinity — and He created Satan, who (himself) “had a beginning”.

Thus, Satan and Jesus are not even related in the *least* (not even in the slightest degree), either here (or “there”) or in this time frame or in any time frame, in the past or at any point in time.

That’s something that is not from me and/or it’s not from you — and so, it depends on neither one of us saying so, one way or another. That’s how this sort of thing is verified — that the Mormons teach *deviant doctrines* (from the “standard” of what Christianity teaches).

Another one is that, according to Mormon teaching, God, the Father — has the appearance of a man (you know..., like two arms, two legs, a body, head, fingers, etc... [all the stuff that a man has]).

And, Christianity *rejects* that as not taught from the Bible, and is a *deviant* teaching — totally in opposition to what Christianity teaches. Christianity teaches that God the Father is not like a man, but is spirit only, *not* having the appearance of a man (or the various and miscellaneous body parts of a man). And Christianity teaches (and has for its foundational doctrines) that God the Father has *never been a man* at any time.

Only Jesus (as one part of the Trinity), in the “incarnation” took on the form of a man, in full conjunction with His diving nature (that divine nature that was never born, never “caused, never having a beginning, being forever *self-existent*).

The “human nature” of Jesus, in His “incarnation” was born, and thus, Jesus, is both fully divine (having always pre-existed — and — was born (had a “beginning”), in the incarnation (in His human form) — both natures being fully integrated, and not diminished one with the other. This is Christian teaching and doctrine and Christianity totally rejects Mormon teaching.

And thus, with this doctrine and teaching, which is not dependent on either you or me — we find that Christianity finds Mormon teaching and doctrine totally *deviant* from what Christianity teaches and what Christianity has for doctrines.

Furthermore, we find that Mormons teach that God the Father had sexual relations with Mary — and “additionally” that Mary was the *wife* of God the Father — and she conceived in the normal manner as she would with any man (in the same manner it would happen “as if” another man had sexual relations with her).

We see a quote from Mormon teachings... “The fleshly body of Jesus required a Mother as well as a Father. Therefore, the Father and Mother of Jesus, according to the flesh, must have been associated in the capacity of husband and wife; hence the Virgin Mary must have been, for the time being, the lawful wife of God the Father: we use the term lawful wife, because it would be blasphemous in the highest degree to say that He overshadowed her or begat the Savior unlawfully........He had a lawful right to overshadow the Virgin Mary IN THE CAPACITY OF A HUSBAND, and beget a Son.......Whether God the Father gave Mary to Joseph for time only, or for time and eternity, we are not informed. It may be that He only gave her to be the wife of Joseph while in this mortal state, and that He intended after the resurrection to again take her as one of his own wives to raise up immortal spirits in eternity.”
Apostle Orson Pratt, “The Seer,” Oct. 1853, p. 158).

Once again, we see that this is in total opposition to Christian teachings and doctrines (not only about the nature of God the Father, but also in that God the Father had Mary as *his wife* and additionally, had sexual relations with her and had a “son” in the normal fashion as any other man would.

Christianity classifies this, once again, as *totally deviant teachings* and has never taught any such thing.

So, these are the “methods” by which we find that Mormon teaching and doctrines are *totally deviant* from Christian teaching and doctrines — and why Christianity classifies Mormon teaching and doctrine as “cult teaching” and the Mormon Church as a “cult group” — by the standards of basic, historic and foundational Christianity.

We see that these things have absolutely nothing to do with “me saying so” or with “you saying so” (to the contrary). It is shown to *be so* — in that those teachings of Mormon theology is *totally deviant* from Christian teaching and doctrine and theology.

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As far as one church or another (you name it) being a “cult according to someone” — is not what Christianity is talking about, when it classifies Mormon theology as *deviant* theology and in total opposition to Christian teaching and doctrine. It’s not a matter of “someone” simply “saying so” and thus a “personal opinion” limited to one or two or so people.

It comes from an entire “body of work” and research and well-established Christian teachings and doctrines, from almost two thousand years of Christianity being in existence.

And, in that light — Mormon teaching and doctrine is *found to be so* (deviant from Christian theology)— according to their own authoritative books, their own “prophets” and teachers, and materials and teachings.

Christianity establishes “for itself* what is the essence and core of Christian teaching and doctrine, and has done so, over the centuries. It’s by these means that the various Christian churches are considered (one to another, “Christian” in their teachings and doctrines) — while *others* (like the Mormon Church) is considered to be a non-Christian cult group, and totally *deviant* in terms of the *standard* and essence of basic, historic and foundational Christianity.

So, it has nothing to do wtih me saying so or you saying so (in opposition). It has *everything* to do with the Mormon Church teachings *deviant* doctrines that have nothing at all to do with Christian teaching and doctrine.

Regards,
Star Traveler

P.S. — I just gave a very few examples of the deviant teachings of the Mormon Church. It takes *entire books* to *fully document* the “total scope” of the deviancy of the teaching of the Mormon Church, because it is *so extensive* in its deviancy. “Books and books” on the deviancy of the Mormon Church, in relation to the teachings and doctrines of Christianity have been written, which document all the details of that deviancy of the Mormon Church and how it is classified as a “non-Christian cult group”.