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To: fluffdaddy
“If McCain is the nominee the Republican Party is no longer a useful vehicle for conservative politics and the GOP can count me out.”

I could make a case that McCain is MORE conservative than George W. Bush or Bob Dole, so I have to ask, how does nominating McCain set the conservative cause back?

Two more things;

1. I don’t believe Thompson would share your view, do you know something Fred does not?

2. McCain at the top of the ticket will lead to the election of more conservatives further down the ticket. That’s a bad thing? I frankly do not understand.

372 posted on 01/19/2008 9:59:11 PM PST by jpf
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To: jpf
GWB has been a grave disappointment. We needed to trade up. McCain would be a big trade down.

One can make the argument that he is MORE conservative than Bush or Dole only if one doesn’t understand what conservative means. Here in America, a conservative is someone who wants to expand our liberty and protect it from enemies both foreign and domestic. It is not someone who wants comprehensively to regulate political speech, to import Mexico’s corrupt and authoritarian political culture one voter at a time, and to fetter the executive branch with absurd legal strictures as it tries to gather the intelligence we need to deal with an existential threat.

McCain is a dangerous fool, a vain, strutting twit, and probably senile to boot. Even Hillary has less potential to do damage. Romney and Giuliani, appalling as they both are, would be better than McCain. If McCain is the best the Republicans can do, count me out.

381 posted on 01/19/2008 10:24:06 PM PST by fluffdaddy
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To: jpf
"...how does nominating McCain set the conservative cause back?"

He campaigns on the strength of his time in DC and his performance as a Senator so we will have to let his record speak for itself.

A few highlights:

Unindicted member of the Keating 5 -
"Though he was not convicted of anything, McCain intervened on behalf of Charles Keating after Keating gave McCain at least $112,00 in contributions. In the mid-1980s, McCain made at least 9 trips on Keating's airplanes, and 3 of those were to Keating's luxurious retreat in the Bahamas. McCain's wife and father-in-law also were the largest investors (at $350,000) in a Keating shopping center; the Phoenix New Times called it a "sweetheart deal."

From: http://www.realchange.org/mccain.htm

McCain-Feingold -
One of its many well known bad effects on the election process is that McCain-Feingold paved the way for 527s which enables people like George Soros to gain extraordinary influence over the election process.

Shamnesty -
The McCain/Kennedy amnesty bill is not really amnesty says McCain:

"The fact is that I've never supported amnesty." (ABC's "This Week," 12/30/07)

He can twist words and apply Clintonion parsing with the best of them - you see, it really depends on what the meaning of amnesty is.....Right?

From: http://www.mittromney.com/News/Press-Releases/Straight_Talk_Detour_12.30

489 posted on 01/20/2008 3:42:27 PM PST by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.)
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