Posted on 01/16/2008 11:14:04 PM PST by Plutarch
i live in macomb....my wife and i voted fred, but my son went for romney....
Thomas S Monson, Boyd K Packer, Robert D Hales, and L Tom Perry...and I know there are others but those I know of for sure.
All saw active combat.
All are in the top ranks of the LDS Church.
I know there is a retired 4 Star General that is a 70 as well.
We don't want to go to war, but we will if we are called up to do so.
So much for a passive religion and false accusations.
Well it depends... but there might be a smidgin of truth to that in some circles.
In the West where there are lots of Mormons people are farm hands and farm boys and girls. They are taught to live, but live simply when possible.
If you come from a modest background like that your work ethic tends to be high.
Mitt didn't work for cheap from the looks of it though. Nor has quite a few other Mormons I know of.
Moreover, I tend to think most of the problems in America are internal. One could argue that the US is 10 trillion or 52 trillion in debt but to me thats not the main problem. I tend to think the main problem is ..
Within white non-Jewish America, the phrase is she/he can carry it off (I).
In short, Americas success was due to the spirit of the Reformation, which naturally included enlightenment, and a belief that free individuals could collectively form an ideal egalitarian society. From its inception, free individuals were defined as WASP men but designed to include all men with similar values over time. The combination of hard work, intellectual development, free thinking, fraternity, freedom, responsibility and American class defined these individuals. Over time, non-WASP Europeans joined the American experiment and were initially viewed as second class citizens, but they were NOT SYSTEMATICALLY ELIMINATED from the American fraternity. So up until the early 1900s, this defined America, which included many non-WASPs who became successful (Many Jews and specifically the Kennedy family as Catholics) by adopting American values. Ill come back to this later.
The African American theyre giving it away.
The Northeastern US has always been closely tied to the United Kingdom. Following the UK and Europes lead (the late 1700s), starting in the mid-1800s, the Northern US started a movement to end slavery throughout the US. Having done so but still being uncomfortable with Africans, the US struggled with how to manage a society with the inclusion of the African ex-slaves. Due to the brilliance of SOME African Americans, starting in the mid-1950s, Thurgood Marshall and others led to the changing of laws to NOT RESTRICT black Americans from the same opportunities that were available to white Americans. Blacks took notice and word spread very quickly via black churches. This started a new movement, a we all want what white Americans have and we all want it now because we are the descendants of slaves and have been uniquely treated unfairly in America movement (better know as the Civil Rights Movement). With this movement, a treat all blacks as special because they deserve it mentally started which, in effect, has done what slavery, Jim Crow laws and segregation could not do, destroy black Americas soul as communism destroys all souls it touches
Within white non-Jewish America, the phrase is she/he can carry it off (II).
With this guiding philosophy and the reality that the energy it takes to be the ideal American and keep American going is unsustainable over time, a catch phrase started in white America. This phrase, she/he can carry it off meant that anyone can simply act as though theyre the ideal American and not worry about the underlying values. With this, all that was the American meritocracy quickly turned into pretend and get all that you can get from the system. This is where America is today!!!
I didn't say he was one. I said he "looks" like one. And if you think I'm unfair, the idiots on the left would have a field day with his "trophy wife" (and their two children). Nevertheless, if he is the nominee, he has my vote.
I agree that he seems to lack passion in this race. Maybe it's just fatigue. He is 65.
Last night after listening to an interview of Romney on NPR, I decided that I am going to vote for Romney.
He listens. He is articulate. He is specific. He knows his stuff. He does not come across as combative or defensive.
He gets it. He made the NPR reporter appear amateur. Best interview of a Repub by NPR in a very long time.
This is a very complex question to answer and it therefore depends on ones perspective. Here's mine
First, I assume that people are predictable products of genetics, social conditioning and spirituality. So the general drivers are that Spain is a Catholic country with a feudalistic past and America is WASP country based of the constitution. So the South of Spain is a bit of an Americanized evolved feudalistic society where everyone is a bit comfortable with their lives via a work to live mindset. The North of Spain is more of a European socialist society with a changing less-cultured Middle Class and a cultured elite who are a bit uncomfortable with the individualized live-to-work American influences. So one could call the trend in Spain as soft communism or socialism but with parental feudalistic tendencies of the elite.
He will lose in 40 of 50 states, but don’t let that stop you.
"Every piece of legislation which came to my desk [as] governor, I came down on the side of preserving the sanctity of life."
--Mitt Romney, NBC "Meet the Press", December 16, 2007.
It is becoming difficult for Mitt Romney to keep track of his twists and turns on the abortion issue. The photograph above shows Romney back in June 1994 during his first big political campaign, running against Sen. Ted Kennedy in Massachusetts. It was taken at a fund-raiser for the pro-abortion rights group, Planned Parenthood, in Cohasset, Mass. The woman with her back to Romney is Nicki Nichols Gamble, former president of the Massachusetts branch of Planned Parenthood, which accepted a $150 contribution from Romney's wife Ann (in a white jacket to Romney's right.)
The "pro-choice" candidate for senator, and later governor, of Massachusetts is now the "pro-life" candidate for president of the United States. His record as governor is controversial, however. Interviewed by Tim Russert on "Meet the Press" last Sunday, Romney claimed that he took a "pro-life" position on "every piece of legislation" that came before him. But that is untrue, at least by his present definition of what constitutes "life."
Romney announced his conversion to "pro-life" views in an editorial in the Boston Globe on July 25, 2005, the day after vetoing a bill expanding access to the so-called "morning after" pill, which required that it be made available to rape victims. See my detailed and updated chronology here. Abortion rights groups such as Planned Parenthood expressed shock at the governor's change of heart, after he had personally signed a pledge to support increased access to the "morning after" pill. "Pro-Life" groups hailed the decision.
That was not the end of the story, however. The controversy over "emergency contraception" continued to haunt Romney. In October 2005, another bill came to his desk, seeking a federal waiver to expand the number of Massachusetts citizens eligible for family planning services, including the "morning after" pill. Romney signed that bill over the objections of his new anti-abortion allies. On this occasion, he was applauded by "pro-choice" advocates.
The issue came up yet again in December 2005. After weeks of agonizing, Romney instructed all hospitals in the state to comply with the terms of the emergency contraception law, and make the morning-after pill available to rape victims. He acted on the advice of his legal counsel, over the objections of half a dozen Catholic hospitals, which had previously refused to provide emergency contraception on the grounds that it conflicted with their religious views.
"Flip,flop,flip," editorialized the Boston Herald, on December 9, 2005. "Yes, Gov. Mitt Romney has now executed an Olympic-caliber double flip-flop with a gold medal-performance twist-and-a-half on the issue of emergency contraception."
Views on the acceptability of the "morning after" pill vary greatly, depending on exactly how you define "life." Many "pro-life" advocates, including Romney, take the view that life begins at the moment when a female egg is fertilized by the male sperm. They are opposed to the "morning after" pill, because it can prevent the implantation of a fertilized egg in the uterus. "Pro-choice" groups argue that life begins much later.
Romney's gyrations on abortion have upset both sides. "For Mitt Romney, this has been not just a flip-flop, but an extreme makeover," said Angus McQuilken, vice president for public affairs with the Planned Parenthood Advocacy Fund of Massachusetts. "Where he stands on any issue is always a moving target."
"I don't see how he can sign bills like that and say with a straight face that he is taking a pro-life position," said Joseph M. Scheidler, founder of the Pro-Life Action League, which is opposed to all forms of abortion. "There's no way we can accept that.".
UPDATE THURSDAY 11:30 A.M.: I just spoke with Nichols Gamble, the Planned Parenthood official who accepted the $150 cheque from the Romneys in June 1994. She says she had no reason to believe at the time that Romney was "not 100 percent behind the pro-choice public policy position." She now thinks that Romney "tried to have it both ways and every way to Sunday" on abortion, depending on what political office he was seeking.
Romney has changed his position so often on abortion that he lacks much credibility on this one. The Romney campaign did not respond to a e-mailed request to clarify the governor's position, so he loses the argument by default on this occasion. Three Pinocchios.
“I don’t see how he can sign bills like that and say with a straight face that he is taking a pro-life position,” said Joseph M. Scheidler, founder of the Pro-Life Action League, which is opposed to all forms of abortion. “There’s no way we can accept that.”.
And one more thing (okay, call me Cosby on philosophical steroids) for the PC folks from wiki....
“During the 1950s, Thurgood Marshall developed a friendly relationship with J. Edgar Hoover, the director the Federal Bureau of Investigation. In 1956, for example, he privately praised Hoover’s campaign to discredit T.R.M. Howard, a maverick civil rights leader from Mississippi.”
He saw it coming........
People thought Richard Nixon, as a Quaker, was also a pacifist. Then he almost bombed the North Vietnamese into submission. Almost only because Watergate snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
Your summation is a carbon copy of what I’ve been posting here on FR for months, only funnier.
Hopefully, many of these hardline Freepers can get past their angst and realize that Mitt Romney is the closest thing we have to a “Ronald Reagan Republican”, whatever THAT is.
For those who are under the false impression that Romney is this uber-liberal, I ask again: “Please name me the specific laws or legislation he passed that would categorize him even remotely close to being a liberal.
Romney was constantly being defended by the Mass ProLife groups, and a plethora of OTHER very conservative groups who paid much closer attention the I.
>He will lose in 40 of 50 states, but dont let that stop you.
My biggest reason to NOT vote for him is his religion. I don’t hate Mormons (obviously), but I realize that there is a LOT of religious bigotry out there (especially within the GOP) and that it will make a very tough sale.
But I fail to understand how you could have read the article that this thread is about and suggest Romney would not have a shot. One of the points of the article is that Romney has a GREAT shot of capturing the Reagan Democrats.
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I dont see how he can sign bills like that and say with a straight face that he is taking a pro-life position, said Joseph M. Scheidler, founder of the Pro-Life Action League, which is opposed to all forms of abortion. Theres no way we can accept that..
The female vote is hard enough for the GOP to capture as it is. There must be millions of ex-wives out there who lost their husband to a younger woman. Should that matter when voting for a president? No. But I tend to believe that emotion plays heavily in the female vote.
Here's the real problem. When something looks too good to be true, it usually is. I don't know what Thompson has in his closet (if anything), but if just one, just one gets out he's finished. That's how high the bar has been set that high for him.
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