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NJ Gov. Signs Popular Vote Measure
The Associated Press ^
| January 14, 2008
| Tom Hester, Jr.
Posted on 01/14/2008 4:29:25 AM PST by plan2succeed.org
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To: plan2succeed.org
New Jersey on Sunday became the second state to enter a compact that would eliminate the Electoral College's power to choose a president if enough states endorse the idea.... Maryland .. had been the only state to pass the compact into law. ... The compact has also passed both houses of the Illinois Legislature ... The compact would take effect only if enough states (blah blah blah)...
Darn, I hate having to get technical on Monday mornings.
- U.S. Constitution - Article 1 Section 10
Section 10 - Powers Prohibited of StatesNo State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.
Besides the above we have those little things called the 14th Amendment, Section 1, the 15th Amendment, Section 1, and about 27 Quadrillion Federal Voting Rights Laws.
'Compacts', sheesh. Talk about voter disenfranchisement. STOO-PID™ Morons
I'm sure the ACLU will be all over this just as if they had seen a Bible in a Publik Skuul.
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01/14/2008 7:02:21 AM PST
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Condor51
(I wouldn't vote for Rooty under any circumstance -- even if Waterboarded!)
To: Condor51
To: mware; Daveinyork
Dave, it might have been nice if the Corzine would have given the people of NJ the choice of voting for this measure. I dont recall it being on any ballot in November. It might be nicer if every state had a procedure to recall the governor and any state legislators that the people decided were so badly f'ing up their job that they need to be removed. Such measures in all 50 states would tremendously reduce the odds of removal via instantaneous lead poisoning.
Wait. What am I thinking? Giving the peasants any actual control over how a country is run...its so, so American. We can't have any of that around here.
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01/14/2008 12:31:06 PM PST
by
Ancesthntr
(I’ve joined the Frederation.)
To: Ancesthntr
We’re not a democracy, we’re a representative republic. The people of NJ will just have to decide what to do next time they have the chance. My observations of the voters in NJ lead me to believe that most are just fine with what the legislature is doing on this issue unless a Republican gets the majority of the popular national popular vote, and therefore, all of Jersey’s electors.
To: plan2succeed.org
People can't think out beyond two steps. This legislation effectively gives up New Jersey voter's rights to cast a meaningful vote for president.
"Whatever California, Texas, and New York want is fine by us. I don't know nuthin' 'bout lecting no president."
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01/14/2008 2:16:28 PM PST
by
dead
(I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
To: dead; Daveinyork; Ancesthntr; Condor51; mware; meyer; mdmathis6; Maneesh; RexFamilia; ...
The following is from
The Conservative Newsletter, 20 December 2000:
History Teacher Speaks Out
Thank you, Al Gore. As a high school history teacher, I owe you a debt of gratitude. You see, the way you have conducted your campaigns (the election campaign and the ballot-manipulation campaign) has provided me with endless opportunities to show my students the beauty of our Constitution and the wisdom of our founding fathers.
Take the Electoral College system. Thank you, thank you, thank you, Al. For six years, I have done my best to explain the logic and benefits of the system hammered out by Mr. Madison and a few of his cronies. High school students just don't get why they chose such a complicated process. Why not simply go by popular vote? I'd patiently explain that the electoral system was designed to allow the people to speak through their states. The tricky part was making my students understand why that was especially beneficial to small states like ours. I knew that, proportionally, Rhode Islanders have more clout in the presidential election under this system, but I wasn't able to illustrate it dramatically until this year.
When I showed my students the U.S. map, colored red for Governor Bush and blue for you, they finally got it. Anyone can clearly see that the popular vote of only a handful of major cities is almost equal to that of the entire rest of the U.S. Thank God the founding fathers had the wisdom and insight to provide this protection to those of us in small states or sparsely settled areas. The look of shock on my pupils' faces when they realized that public policy could easily be dictated by a handful of the largest and most liberal population centers made me realize that I had them hooked.
They could begin to see why Senator-elect Hillary Clinton, in one of her first post-election speeches, promised to fight to abolish the electoral college. This was too good an opportunity to pass up. Pulling out my well-worn copy of The Federalist Papers, I seized the advantage and began to read from No.68. "It was also peculiarly desirable to afford as little opportunity as possible to tumult and disorder. Nothing was more to be desired than that every practicable obstacle should be opposed to cabal, intrigue and corruption," Alexander Hamilton wrote in defense of the electoral college system. As I told my students, you can insert the phrase "in the year 2000 in Florida" throughout this letter and be amazed at Hamilton's gift of prophecy.
The spectacle we are now witnessing in your campaign to overturn the election in Florida, Al, is the very thing that our Founding Fathers most feared. Although they couldn't anticipate the advent of television, they were familiar with the harm that an inflamed and largely uninformed populace could wreak. What a tremendous lesson you have provided the youth of our country.
No longer are Hamilton, Madison et al "dead white men," incapable of teaching us anything. Rather, they reach out to us through the ages, warning us of "these most deadly adversaries of republican government."
To: Slapshot68
One reason for the electoral college was to make it necessary for a candidate to have wide support among a large number of states, rather than concentrated support among a small number of populous states. That it was better to have a President who had 55% support in 75% of the states, than to have somebody who might have 90% support in a few states, but was so hated in the rest of the country that they would start a civil war to oppose him
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