No one can argue that natural causes rule out designers, but I'd like to see an example of a phenomenon that "defies" natural explanation, as opposed to simply being unexplained.
Let's have a little review of science history: Prior to Newton, did the planets require angels to push them around? Prior to Einstein, were angels required to explain the orbit of Mercury? Prior to the Grand Unification, are angels required to explain quantum gravity?
Give me a specific example of an event postulated by the theory of intelligent design that was caused by a designer. When did it happen? What happened?
[[No one can argue that natural causes rule out designers, but I’d like to see an example of a phenomenon that “defies” natural explanation, as opposed to simply being unexplained.]]
Ah- but htey are not unexplained- you just don’t- won’t accept the explanation
[[Let’s have a little review of science history: Prior to Newton, did the planets require angels to push them around? Prior to Einstein, were angels required to explain the orbit of Mercury? Prior to the Grand Unification, are angels required to explain quantum gravity?]]
What relevence does anything ‘prior’ have to the conversation? eitehr, based on our present knowledge, thigns are designed or they are not- no credible scientist is going to state there is no design- the debate is over whether or not that design is able to occure natrually. So far, there is no evidence, despite much research to prove so, that nature is capable of producing irreducibly complex systems. Using logic, when design is discovered, one can come to a very reasonable and scientific conclusion, that a designer was the causation. To suggest everythign must have a nturalistic cause is a non objective form of science practice- nay- it’s a religious beleif itself.