Posted on 01/03/2008 11:39:37 PM PST by Maelstorm
A Hard Loss for Romney By John Ellis
It's one thing to lose as you are. What you lose is an election, but there's always another election and in the case of presidential primary politics, a new electorate that awaits you in the next state. It's another thing to lose as you aren't. Mitt Romney was never the 700 Club right-winger his campaign managers conceived. He was and is a man of business and a very capable one at that.
He's all but doomed now. Senator John McCain will beat him in New Hampshire, probably by a lot, and Romney's media coverage will evaporate and his candidacy will consequently die. On January 9, his managers will walk in and say that the campaign needs $10 million or $15 million to continue and that he, Romney, will have to write the check. Everyone who would contribute has maxed out. Everyone who might won't. Two-time losers don't get new money. It's a basic rule of politics.
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I guess I'm missing the relevance of a "cult" vs. "non-cult" discussion on this thread.
You said — “Which should tell you something about the tolerance of Mormons.”
They had to have something to put on their PR campaigns trying to fool the public into believing that they are teaching “Christianity”... LOL..
Regards,
Star Traveler
What you don't understand and if Ravi Zacharias did back up Martin books than he is no better Martin!
Y’all (the Mormons) had him speaking over at the Mormon Tabernacle not too long ago....
The LDS strive to keep the Lord's commandments and extend it to all to join them
John 13:
34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
We choose what we want to be some choose to be sanctimonious!
Ummm..., I think you’re stuck in a time warp... in the last century... Have you ever heard of Ravi Zacharias?... check it out... he’s the one who oversees the book and has verified that all the information is true and factual.
It’s still the book that is considered authoritative and used by Christian seminaries when teaching about the cult groups. You may not know it, but Mormons are considered “study material” when seminaries study about cult groups....
It is not the Mormons asking you to get out of the big tent. It is you who are being derogatory to Mormons and asking them to get out of the big ten. It is people like you who will destroy the Republican party and elect Democrats from now on.
Do you hear, in the Democratic party, the lesbians telling the environmentalists they are not wanted? Do you hear the Jews telling the blacks they are not wanted? Do you hear the pacifists telling the feminists to get lost? You don’t, because they are not that STUPID. They suppress their difference so they can WIN. Unfortunately, we have in the Republican Party those egotistical, narrow minded, PURISTS who want every one to agree with them or have second class membership. Heaven help us.
And, even with the utter irrelevance of your thoughts, they are also wrong. A group can sociologically be a cult while having "correct doctrine." Additionally, the dictionary definition of "cult" will contain many things which you do not consider to be "cults." Perhaps some "scholarly" research would assist you.
You said — “I guess I’m missing the relevance of a “cult” vs. “non-cult” discussion on this thread.”
Well, very simply, Evangelicals are not going to vote for a cult-member President... and with no Evangelicals, the GOP cannot win the Presidency... that’s how “cult” and “non-cult” got in there...
Regards,
Star Traveler
You said — “What you don’t understand and if Ravi Zacharias did back up Martin books than he is no better Martin!”
That’s pretty funny...
Because here’s what you don’t understand..., there’s about 100 or more qualified Christian theologians who are standing in line behind Ravi Zacharias, waiting to back up that “cult status” of the Mormon church, in relation to basic, historic, and foundational Christianity.
And from the sounds of it, you’ll be saying to the next 100 theologians... “they’re just as bad as Walter Martin was...” LOL...
Regards,
Star Traveler
It’s still the book that is considered authoritative and used by Christian seminaries when teaching about the cult groups. You may not know it, but Mormons are considered “study material” when seminaries study about cult groups....
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Like I said we are all free to choose to follow the Lord or choose to be among the millons of puff up sanctimonious beings living on earth!
You said — “Heaven help us.”
The “clue train” here for you... Heaven isn’t going to help a group that is teaching decidedly *non-Christian* doctrines. Heaven, the abode of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob — is available *only* through the *narrow gate* which is specified in the Bible (those 66 books from those 40 authors that God chose) — and not the ramblings and ravings of Joseph Smith adding all sorts of other material and calling it “their bible” (for the Mormons).
Regards,
Star Traveler
As I’ve pointed out many times, if you would pay attention, this is the Christian definition. All other definitions are irrelevant for purpose of Christian doctrine. That’s the operative definition for Christians...
There’s an *entire book* operating on *that definition* — the one I’ve already mentioned several times. And this book is not the only book operating on that *very same definition*. There are countless others (and when I say “countless” — I mean I would have trouble counting all of them...).
Regards,
Star Traveler
I assume you are speaking for yourself. I could vote for a "cultist" as easily as a Jewish conservative as easily as a Catholic conservative. I don't check people's religious credentials when I vote. Just their principles. Oh, and I was evangelical before it was cool.
That’s pretty funny...
Because here’s what you don’t understand..., there’s about 100 or more qualified Christian theologians who are standing in line behind Ravi Zacharias, waiting to back up that “cult status” of the Mormon church, in relation to basic, historic, and foundational Christianity.
And from the sounds of it, you’ll be saying to the next 100 theologians... “they’re just as bad as Walter Martin was...” LOL...
So there were also many who were learned scholars that also stood behind the crucifixion of the Lord Jesus Christ.
They all were protecting their earthly power and authority and fear that the Lord would over rule them, as I see it as a convert nothing has changed much today.
They still are going after The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints....
Matt 15
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
I would think you are wrong. If an organization is a sociological cult, then it is as dangerous as a theological cult. Now, if you feel compelled to respond to me, I understand. I shan't respond back on this thread as I find it utterly irrelevant.
You said — “Like I said we are all free to choose to follow the Lord”
Well, certainly — the Mormons are free to follow Joseph Smith’s definitions of who the Lord is (again, according to Mormon theology and not what Christians say).
The dispute has *never* been on the issue of whether you can follow what you want to or not (even if it is from what Christians consider to be a *false prophet*, namely Joseph Smith). The issue is not whether you can follow your false prophet. That’s perfectly fine for you to do.
The issue is that your false prophet does not have anything to do with the basic, historic and foundational teachings and doctrines of Christianity. That’s all that is being talked about here, when it is pointed out that the Mormon church is a cult group. It is a cult group by *Christian definition*. It always has been and it always will be — by Christian definition.
So, feel free to follow any wild idea you want. That’s not what anyone is saying a single word about. It’s the lying from the Mormon church that the Christian church is complaining about, the lying to the general public trying to say that it is basically a Christian church (just like the others), when the Mormon church teaches something radically different than Christianity...
Regards,
Star Traveler
We have one gigantic problem in the Republican party. Some Evangelicals have gotten too big for their britches, and they are jeopardizing the future of the party with their bigotry.
If you approach 66-67%, you’ve got what is considered about as good a number as you’ll ever get from a group. So, what you’re telling me is that you’re in the 33% category... I could have figured that out by now...
So, once again, Evangelicals are not going to vote in a cult-member-President...
Star Traveler is correct.....but you can deny till the sun comes up....won’t make a bit of difference.
You know, the Mormon church can keep trying to play the martyr, they can keep trying to go back to that “old saw” about the traditions of men... but all it’s doing is showing that you’re talking out of both sides of your mouth at the same time.
On the one hand, the Mormon church keeps trying to put over on people that they are really a Christian church teaching those Christian doctrines — and then, quickly shifting to the other side of the mouth, the Mormon church proceeds to tell how the “Christian church” really is only promoting the “doctrines of men” — and that “we” (the Mormon church) has the true and restored Gospel (never mind that they add several authoritative books to the Bible, and then say the Bible is only true where correctly translated (or some mumbo jumbo like that).
Then, as soon as someone points out that the Mormon church isn’t teaching Christian doctrine, it’s time to shift back to the other side of the mouth — done quickly and smoothly — and start maintaining that “we’re Christians just like everyone else”. It’s the fanciest two-step you’ve ever seen... LOL...
Regards,
Star Traveler
Star Traveler is correct.....but you can deny till the sun comes up....won’t make a bit of difference.
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